Line 6 Helix Stadium

[Sascha Franck]

Are you being sarcastic?

No.

 

[dk_ace]

You can always ask chatgpt to summarize the page

I’d have to care first

 

[dk_ace]

That's fine. And the very reason why I said there's no TL;DR.

Unfortunately, my wishes aren't in line with those of most simpletons ("Give me new amps!"). Can't help it.
And fortunately, at least some folks have a longer attention span than 30 seconds. I know, it's not common.

I am a device power user, not a simple user. I don’t care about new amp models. I have a very healthy attention span, I’m just not going to devote my time or energy to some blowhard internet diatribe on a pet feature.

That might be different if I were incredibly bored today, but I’m not…

D

 

[Sascha Franck]

I’m just not going to devote my time or energy to some blowhard internet diatribe on a pet feature.

Fine.

 

[EOengineer]

No.

Well enjoy, I guess. I hear it gets lonely at the top though.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

 

[HotRats]

That's fine. And the very reason why I said there's no TL;DR.

Unfortunately, my wishes aren't in line with those of most simpletons ("Give me new amps!"). Can't help it.
And fortunately, at least some folks have a longer attention span than 30 seconds. I know, it's not common.

You should have been sarcastic, or at least say you were, man. Don't be a German

I'm among the minority of users interested in those kind of features but I have to admit I couldn't find the time to read everything you guys wrote in the previous pages.

There's nothing wrong in writing long post, though.

Cheers

 

[Sascha Franck]

I hear it gets lonely at the top though.

Be it so.

You should have been sarcastic, or at least say you were, man.

No, I shouldn't.

Seriously, I'm getting sick of "uh, won't read anything longer than a meme or a one-liner post". FFS, then people should just don't read it, but don't come up with snarky comments. That's just as much a waste of time as spending a minute reading something is.

Yes, I am sometimes writing longer comments. So what? As said, people could always just decide to not read them. But they shouldn't try to somewhat educate me by telling me they wouldn't read it anyway, kinda implying that if I wanted to be a well respected member of a forum, I should rather not elaborate on things. That's just an incredible low blow. And my counter-comment was just a reaction to that.
(And no, that's not directed at you.)

 

[HotRats]

Be it so.



No, I shouldn't.

Seriously, I'm getting sick of "uh, won't read anything longer than a meme or a one-liner post". FFS, then peoply should just don't read it, but don't come up with snarky comments. That's just as much a waste of time as spending a minute reading something is.

Yes, I am sometimes writing longer comments. So what? As said, people could always just decide to not read them. But they shouldn't try to somewhat educate me by telling me they wouldn't read it anyway, kinda implying that if I wanted to be a well respected member of a forum, I should rather not elaborate on things. That's just an incredible low blow. And my counter-comment was just a reaction to that.
(And no, that's not directed at you.)

Fair enough.

I still believe life is too short for this kind arguing, though.

Prost!

 

[Sascha Franck]

I still believe life is too short for this kind arguing, though.

You're probably absolutely right. But I had no arguing in mind at all. Initially, I was just writing a longer post about global blocks.
But yes, we should possibly stop the side-discussion about the outcome at this point.

Cheers!

 

[Progressive_disclosure]

That's fine. And the very reason why I said there's no TL;DR

I find it interesting but I get lost in the technicalities on solutions. Would it be possible to add a separate description of the needs you have as a user that these solutions would address? Might just be me that’s interested though.

I started thinking of some ideas around this as well but I do think most of it is in some ways already addressed, either by the discussion here or in current modelers. I do like the idea of setting some blocks/parameters as ”linked” or global throughout a setlist or group of presets. Then I would be able to change stuff around my ”core” without having to re-save as a Favorite and swap stuff around in multiple presets etc as soon as I’d like to adjust the ”core”. Less copy/pasting and remembering settings would be nice. Today saving as a Favorite is like too big of a commitment for me so I seldom use it!

Sorry if this is seen as naive, I’d just like to understand the requests a bit better.

I agree that the features beyond new amp modeling are more exciting, even though I really look forward to that as well. With the exception of the newest models in Helix I have a hard time not ditching them for my tube amp, even when playing through a power amp sim and monitors still.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Would it be possible to add a separate description of the needs you have as a user that these solutions would address?

Sure.

In a nutshell, for live playing (it's possibly way less relevant for any other application) I want "analog-alike" setup handling. The two key things possibly being:

- Quick access to the most relevant parameters that I know I would like to tweak to accomodate whatever gigging situation. Mainly amp tonestacks, lead levels, spatial FX mix. For somewhat more comfort, I wouldn't mind dirt pedal parameters and maybe the ocassional modulation effect I might be using more often throughout the gig.

- I would want all these to be globally valid. As in: When calling up preset B, the tweaks I did in preset A would still be there.

As far as why I want that goes: I just need (or sometimes just want) to be able to do that because of the highly varying nature of the gigs I play, very often some where there's no or just soundcheck rehearsals. Creating dedicated patches to suit each thinkable scenario is pretty much impossible for those kinda gigs.
But I also sometimes just want it for personal reasons. I might want to use another main guitar. Or I might feel more like rocking out instead of playing sort of decently (most of the gigs I play allow for that kinda freedom).

And that's about it, really. There'd be some other benefits coming along with these things, but the two points listed above are the main reasons.

 

[EOengineer]

Sure.

In a nutshell, for live playing (it's possibly way less relevant for any other application) I want "analog-alike" setup handling. The two key things possibly being:

- Quick access to the most relevant parameters that I know I would like to tweak to accomodate whatever gigging situation. Mainly amp tonestacks, lead levels, spatial FX mix. For somewhat more comfort, I wouldn't mind dirt pedal parameters and maybe the ocassional modulation effect I might be using more often throughout the gig.

- I would want all these to be globally valid. As in: When calling up preset B, the tweaks I did in preset A would still be there.

As far as why I want that goes: I just need (or sometimes just want) to be able to do that because of the highly varying nature of the gigs I play, very often some where there's no or just soundcheck rehearsals. Creating dedicated patches to suit each thinkable scenario is pretty much impossible for those kinda gigs.
But I also sometimes just want it for personal reasons. I might want to use another main guitar. Or I might feel more like rocking out instead of playing sort of decently (most of the gigs I play allow for that kinda freedom).

And that's about it, really. There'd be some other benefits coming along with these things, but the two points listed above are the main reasons.

I can see some value here for those of us gigging and using multiple presets. I’ve run into issues where a verb or delay is too wet live and I don’t want to adjust it temporarily and separately across 10 presets while I’m on stage.

 

[Eagle]

I can see some value here for those of us gigging and using multiple presets. I’ve run into issues where a verb or delay is too wet live and I don’t want to adjust it temporarily and separately across 10 presets while I’m on stage.

Can’t you just have home and gigging versions ? It’s not like you are short of preset space.

 

[EOengineer]

Can’t you just have home and gigging versions ? It’s not like you are short of preset space.

I can if I’ve played the venue before and know the way the room responds to my rig. It becomes a more tumultuous endeavor if it’s a new venue or perhaps a new preset. I certainly don’t want to maintain separate banks of presets for each room I play, or each type of environment I’m playing in.

 

[Orvillain]

Expression pedal assigned to the mix for your delay and reverb. Set the minimum to whatever you think would ever be the minimum you'd want, and the max likewise. 20-40% for example. Then you can ride it throughout the song even.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Can’t you just have home and gigging versions ? It’s not like you are short of preset space.

It's not about that at all. Different gigs demand different settings. Even the same gig may. Add to this that creating your patches at home doesn't necessarily result in gig-worthy patches, so you need to make corrections.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Expression pedal assigned to the mix for your delay and reverb. Set the minimum to whatever you think would ever be the minimum you'd want, and the max likewise. 20-40% for example. Then you can ride it throughout the song even.

Been there. But it's a *very* different thing from being able to set the overall maximum globally.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I can see some value here for those of us gigging and using multiple presets. I’ve run into issues where a verb or delay is too wet live and I don’t want to adjust it temporarily and separately across 10 presets while I’m on stage.

See - and for me it's not only that.

Just one extreme example (and I could come up with several similar ones, just not as extreme): Last year, I've been asked to play a gig with some folks I didn't know at all. I knew most of the songs, though. So everything was fine. Just that when I showed up I learned that they were kinda replacing the keyboard position with another guitar - yeah, quite weird, but apparently they really couldn't find a keyboarder and someone had told them I'd be able to play most chords sufficiently as well (thank you, Mr. <not-to-be-named-here>). So, my main role that evening has been to supply some thick chords and stuff, at least kinda mimicking the function of a keyboard. For that to work, one prerequisite has been to deliver a way thicker clean sound than what I'd usually use if there actually was a keyboard player. And very obviously, my patches weren't prepared for such a situation. Well, due to the hybrid nature of my rig, I was still able to adjust things accordingly (and very quickly), without having to re-program and re-save anything.

As said, this is a very extreme example, but I'm running into sort of similar situations on many gigs.

 

[EOengineer]

See - and for me it's not only that.

Just one extreme example (and I could come up with several similar ones, just not as extreme): Last year, I've been asked to play a gig with some folks I didn't know at all. I knew most of the songs, though. So everything was fine. Just that when I showed up I learned that they were kinda replacing the keyboard position with another guitar - yeah, quite weird, but apparently they really couldn't find a keyboarder and someone had told them I'd be able to play most chords sufficiently as well (thank you, Mr. <not-to-be-named-here>). So, my main role that evening has been to supply some thick chords and stuff, at least kinda mimicking the function of a keyboard. For that to work, one prerequisite has been to deliver a way thicker clean sound than what I'd usually use if there actually was a keyboard player. And very obviously, my patches weren't prepared for such a situation. Well, due to the hybrid nature of my rig, I was still able to adjust things accordingly (and very quickly), without having to re-program and re-save anything.

As said, this is a very extreme example, but I'm running into sort of similar situations on many gigs.

I’ll make it easy - you don’t have to convince me. If this forum has proven anything, it’s that our contexts are as varied as the music we play. I’m all for gear supporting workflows I don’t use, so long as it also supports workflows I do use.