Line 6 Helix Stadium

Honestly such a dull topic and comes across as hyper niche. Sounds like in general some global eq will do most of the on the fly problems and the rest would just be a nice to have.

Hopefully one day a Sascha approved workflow is out there for you but I get the feeling people are just fine with whatever’s out there now and make it work for their live rigs just fine
 
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but I get the feeling people are just fine with whatever’s out there now and make it work for their live rigs just fine

Just that often they aren't. /cue endless discussions about Fletcher-Munson, how effects get lost in a busy live scenario, amp channel balances and what not. Global EQs aren't good enough to adress that.
 
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So you always want to have a laptop or tablet showing the editor during a gig? I'd need two tablets to get there as one of them is most often used for sheets.
Oh no, I wouldn't ever want to use a laptop or tablet to edit my presets during a gig. I would either kneel to my Helix LT to change whatever if it's really urgent (i.e.: volume is WAY too high or too low) and doesn't take much time, or just leave it as it is and remember to fix whatever needed editing when I'm back home, for the next gig.

I usually just try to have everything well thought-out in rehearsals so I don't need to edit anything during a gig, which is something I just couldn't afford (singing, playing guitar and switching things in Helix with my right foot and in my Boss VE-500 with my left foot is already pretty hard XD).


You haven't used a knob controller live, you also haven't used global blocks live - and still you're trying to tell me how this would be a weird or "niche" thing.
FWIW, and this is obvious: my opinion is just an opinion, and if I ever sound like I'm trying to go further than that, I'm sorry.

I could perfectly be wrong, but I'm just saying what I think about your proposal (because we're in a discussion board, aren't we?) based on the fact that this is the first time I've heard about this. I hope the words I'm using aren't rude, as that's not my intention at all.

And again, and I can't stress this enough, just because I think something, doesn't mean I'm stating that it's the only universal truth and anyone who thinks otherwise should feel ashamed. I'm more aware about not knowing anything everyday.


The obvious difference being that I have actually tried things out in real existing scenarios, aka gigs.
That's totally true :)

The most complex thing I've done live is syncing a click track with MIDI commands being sent to keyboards and 4 multieffect units (bass, guitars and vocals) through a MacBook with Ableton, and we stopped doing it after we had to cancel a gig because the MacBook wouldn't boot (and it had been a long time since the last time we rehearsed without click track and automation, so we couldn't do a "normal" gig). The Showcase feature might make me give a second chance to this.


Ok, we can maybe stop discussing it between us now. You clearly don't seem to understand what I'm aiming at. Which is absolutely fine with me, but it's rendering any further discussion useless.
Sure, no probs! (y)


Super realistic amp modeling is every bit as hyper niche in a live context. Maybe even more so.
True that. Although in terms of marketing, that feature is way easier to work with in order to sell a product than "global layers to make MIDI editing easier", which is something most people wouldn't even understand at all ^_^U
 
I usually just try to have everything well thought-out in rehearsals so I don't need to edit anything during a gig, which is something I just couldn't afford (singing, playing guitar and switching things in Helix with my right foot and in my Boss VE-500 with my left foot is already pretty hard XD).

I'm playing lots of subbing and telephone band gigs, so that's an entirely different thing. No rehearsals at all.

and if I ever sound like I'm trying to go further than that, I'm sorry.

As said, it's all fine. Didn't want to start an argument, no hard feelings, either.

For me it's just "been there, done that" - so I'm pretty aware of what I'm wishing for and how I think things could be implemented.
In a nutshell: Just as a lot of folks want the sound of analog amps and what not to be nailed, I want the usability aspect to be nailed as well. And crawling on the floor to adjust things, maybe even having to select items beforehand, simply is quite the opposite of turning around to your amp, grab one knob, turn it and be done with it.

I hope the words I'm using aren't rude, as that's not my intention at all.

No, you weren't rude. And my reply wasn't meant to be rude at all, either.

True that. Although in terms of marketing, that feature is way easier to work with in order to sell a product than "global layers to make MIDI editing easier", which is something most people wouldn't even understand at all ^_^U

It's pretty much a general thing. All things "just usability" or utilitarian simply aren't great fodder for promotion.

For instance, I only bought a Helix Floor when there was an option to deactivate snapshot bypass. I know I'd love snapshots and would want to use them, but the way they were implemented at first was in the way. Adding that little piece of functionality made a huge difference for me and once I learned it was introduced, I started looking for a Floor - at the same time, I didn't even spend a second looking for new fancy amps and FX, I just knew I'd get along with what was there a long time before. And when you look up HX Floor YT videos, you will hardly ever see anything regarding usability being mentioned. Sure, snapshot introduction was praised, but the smaller things usually go under the radar.

Same with MIDI control now not being tied to snapshots anymore. When I went through my BCR experiments, it'd be just kickass to have that already, and it's been the main reason for me to not try to expand the idea further. Might've changed some things in my Floor relationship.

Add to this that whenever I'm bringing up any such things, I'm almost treated as an outlier. Just when I demonstrated my BCR setup to some folks, they were like "oh, that's excellent!" - unfortunately there's no video of it (only one of me controlling things through a tablet, which isn't as impressive). Maybe I should recreate something similar with the Stomp (even if I don't need it for my small Stomp board) and do a video.

I mean, seriously, by now there's small and affordable MIDI controllers that you could possibly mount to a small mic stand, always in reach, no need to bow down or crawl around, no need to look for and select any specific parameters, everything would just be mapped, allowing for instant WYSIWYG control. Hence pretty much every bit as you'd do with analog equipment. Which, at least IMO, still trumps any currently available options in terms of quick sound adjustments on a live stage.
 
Honestly such a dull topic and comes across as hyper niche. Sounds like in general some global eq will do most of the on the fly problems and the rest would just be a nice to have.

Hopefully one day a Sascha approved workflow is out there for you but I get the feeling people are just fine with whatever’s out there now and make it work for their live rigs just fine
Not even a little bit. For context, if I have a bank (or several) of presets that I use live and and I want to adjust the “dirty amp” gain -10 on all of them, having a block that I know changes wherever that block appears in that bank would be hyper useful. Or if you wanted to change a delay or modulation model for all grouped presets. Going from Helix to a GT-1000 global blocks are awesome and something every modeler should have. Having a lock to setlist/lock to bank and a warning like “Editing this Block Will Effect other Presets, Would You like to Ungroup this Preset?” would make it pretty simple, IMO. It’s way different than a global EQ.
 
No chance I or nearly anyone else are gonna read these novels you guys are writing as posts. Carry on though…

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No chance I or nearly anyone else are gonna read these novels you guys are writing as posts. Carry on though…

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That’s actually true
the Cole’s notes
Sasha hopes for a product with more knobs to play with
And some sort of protection from sunlight and telephone gigs
 
That’s actually true
the Cole’s notes
Sasha hopes for a product with more knobs to play with
And some sort of protection from sunlight and telephone gigs
As long as there are locking rings around each switch where you can mount the upside down styrofoam cups; visibility should not be a problem :rollsafe
 
Add to this that whenever I'm bringing up any such things, I'm almost treated as an outlier.
I feel ya.

I mean, seriously, by now there's small and affordable MIDI controllers that you could possibly mount to a small mic stand, always in reach, no need to bow down or crawl around, no need to look for and select any specific parameters, everything would just be mapped, allowing for instant WYSIWYG control. Hence pretty much every bit as you'd do with analog equipment. Which, at least IMO, still trumps any currently available options in terms of quick sound adjustments on a live stage.
At this point, with amp sim/multi-FX units with increasingly sophisticated touch screen GUIs hitting the market, it makes more sense to have the unit itself at arm's reach, and just work on external footcontrol solutions. I know there are always some wrinkles there in terms of presenting state information, but it's nowhere near as challenging as trying to duplicate the on-unit (screen, encoders, switches) functionality with a generic MIDI controller.
 
I feel ya.


At this point, with amp sim/multi-FX units with increasingly sophisticated touch screen GUIs hitting the market, it makes more sense to have the unit itself at arm's reach, and just work on external footcontrol solutions. I know there are always some wrinkles there in terms of presenting state information, but it's nowhere near as challenging as trying to duplicate the on-unit (screen, encoders, switches) functionality with a generic MIDI controller.

I have high hopes for the wireless editing (which I'm assuming will be dashed upon product launch), but I'm envisioning the ability to essentially mirror the Stadium's touch screen on my iPad.
 
I have high hopes for the wireless editing (which I'm assuming will be dashed upon product launch), but I'm envisioning the ability to essentially mirror the Stadium's touch screen on my iPad.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that at launch the editor might be somewhat basic, but I'm hoping eventually it will have the same functions as the touch screen. A lot of things should work well with dragging a mouse around, such as focus view etc.... In the mean time, I'm thinking about how I can set it up and use the on board touch screen without having to bend over too much. That's one issue with it being a floor based device.
 
We just want a batch of presets to behave like a pedalboard, it ain’t complicated. On Helix I had to use snapshots in a big ass preset or spillover and lose half my processing. Haven’t missed either of those features with the GT-1000 because I can build my all in one preset, save each effect as a stompbox then copy the preset as many places as I want and edit things across all of them from any of them.
 
but it's nowhere near as challenging as trying to duplicate the on-unit (screen, encoders, switches) functionality with a generic MIDI controller.

I actually wouldn't need that. All I'm looking for is an easy way to access the most relevant parameters all the time and for those parameters to be globally valid. For me, it'd be these:
- Gain, volume and tone stacks (BMT would be sufficient) of two amps.
- Gain, volume and perhaps tone/treble for 2-3 dirt boxes.
- Delay and reverb mix.
- Lead pre-boost (usually a light compressor) and post-EQ level.

And that'd be it already. Sure, more is more and all that, but I like being able to memorize all the knob/fader settings and the above would be good enough to take me through pretty much any gig. I could possibly reduce the overall amount of controls to 16 (which would be in line with quite some knob/fader boxes).
 
No chance I or nearly anyone else are gonna read these novels you guys are writing as posts.

That's fine. And the very reason why I said there's no TL;DR.

Unfortunately, my wishes aren't in line with those of most simpletons ("Give me new amps!"). Can't help it.
And fortunately, at least some folks have a longer attention span than 30 seconds. I know, it's not common.
 
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