Line 6 Helix Stadium

[GTR37]

I do like the Hx Trainwreck and am a fan of the original circuit in general. I’d think it’s the kind of circuit one might want to include eventually if they are showing off the increased dynamics and responsiveness of a new modeling engine.

It’s actually not a tremendous lift to grab a cheap 70s Bassman 50 (or BF Bassman clone) and mod it to trainwreck specs. It’s fairly common. I’m not going to rage quit over it but it’s definitely a circuit that would be interesting to audition in Agoura.

If I am not mistaken the amp they borrowed was from 65amps Dan Boul
I think some 65 amps have a TW circuit the closet thing these days is probably a Zwreck which is Ken Fisher / DRZ , Brad paisley collab kind on lower wattage

 

[GTR37]

I thought they might do a Badlander before the Jubilee, but who knows?

I don’t know Line6 has thrown some curveballs but outside this forum is a Badlander universally more requested or known than a Silver Jubillee

 

[mikah912]

I don’t know Line6 has thrown some curveballs but outside this forum is a Badlander universally more requested or known than a Silver Jubillee

I don't think they're that linear. Otherwise, why would a REVV make the launch lineup when the Dual Rec or Mesa Mark did not?

Notoriety and ubiquity play a role for sure, but they love doing stuff others haven't done yet (They were the first to model an Archon or REVV. They're still the only ones with Park and Grammatico amps, Peavey Invective or Sunn Model T).

So a Badlander is just their type of fun to get into. Most importantly, I do think they're going to want to add new and exclusive amps and effects to Stadium sooner rather than later to help combat the perception that the unit's sounds are just Helix 2.0, The Marketing Edition.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I actually want more genuine Line 6 amps.

I'm sure Sound Design will end up making Agoura Line 6 Originals. In the meantime, we shuffled all the existing Line 6 Originals in with all the other amps on Stadium, so they're no longer stuck at the end of the list.

So.... Showcase... How sexy do you think it would be able to get when hooked up to a laptop to control Resoluum Arena/Avenue for video synchronisation stuff?

What does it resolve to? At launch, Showcase will only transmit beat clock with or without MIDI > MMC flags (no SPP, MTC, or SMPTE, at least not right away).

 

[banned]

If I am not mistaken the amp they borrowed was from 65amps Dan Boul
I think some 65 amps have a TW circuit the closet thing these days is probably a Zwreck which is Ken Fisher / DRZ , Brad paisley collab kind on lower wattage

JM Wreck is the 'official' after Ken died. They're supposed to be very authentic - but they're expensive!

About – Trainwreck Circuits Official Homepage

Komet 60 also supposed to be good. ZWreck is nice but requires major volume to break-up. I played through Z-Wreck Jr. once but didn't get a chance to open it up. Oddly, there don't seem to be too many youtube clips on this amp. I would have thought that everyone would be all over a lower priced wreck amp.

Rhett also posted on this amateur amp recently which has Wreck characteristics -

 

[JiveTurkey]

Seems like a weird amp to be the hill to die upon.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I should also elaborate that I bet the real thing sounds FANTASTIC and I am sure the digital approximations are very good as well. But it seems like a TOTAL EXPERIENCE amp that listening through some "FRFR" turd or laptop speakers has zero chance in hell of ever recreating comparatively.

 

[mikah912]

I should also elaborate that I bet the real thing sounds FANTASTIC and I am sure the digital approximations are very good as well. But it seems like a TOTAL EXPERIENCE amp that listening through some "FRFR" turd or laptop speakers has zero chance in hell of ever recreating comparatively.

Agreed. If you like Trainwreck clips where a guy has it cranked in a room with a real cab, I don't see how you can compare any digital iteration unless you're running it through the exact same set up. And if you do that, then the real power amp and cab are likely factoring more into what you're hearing that whatever algorithm.

 

[banned]

Agreed. If you like Trainwreck clips where a guy has it cranked in a room with a real cab, I don't see how you can compare any digital iteration unless you're running it through the exact same set up. And if you do that, then the real power amp and cab are likely factoring more into what you're hearing that whatever algorithm.

That's how I play - power amp through cab - so that parts taken care of.

The modeled circuit matters a lot - this is a very sensitive and dynamic circuit with a lot of harmonics at play - the most tube-like amp that probably exists. It's like your hand is wired into the amp.

 

[mikah912]

That's how I play - power amp through cab - so that parts taken care of.

The modeled circuit matters a lot - this is a very sensitive and dynamic circuit with a lot of harmonics at play - the most tube-like amp that probably exists. It's like your hand is wired into the amp.

So then, your fingers, so to speak, will determine how happy you are with the final product, no?

I don't see that being so specific to Trainwrecks. Everyone has read or experienced stories like when various people picked up Eddie Van Halen's rig and couldn't sound like him if they tried. Or Nile Rodgers with his "bone tone". Or (fill in the blank with X artist) here.

 

[banned]

So then, your fingers, so to speak, will determine how happy you are with the final product, no?

I don't see that being so specific to Trainwrecks. Everyone has read or experienced stories like when various people picked up Eddie Van Halen's rig and couldn't sound like him if they tried. Or Nile Rodgers with his "bone tone". Or (fill in the blank with X artist) here.

What I'm saying is that I prefer Trainwreck style circuits - and it doesn't appear like we'll get one in Agoura.

 

[GTR37]

Seems like a weird amp to be the hill to die upon.

Is that not Timbuck3 favourite model , uh oh

 

[timbuck3]

Real bad is the only way I know how to play, luckily.

You need a hot tub then

 

[Frodebro]

You need a hot tub then

I wanna go
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Hot tubbin

 

[sashimi]

 

[Frodebro]

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Sadly, the squirrel died in a tragic firmware incident.

 

[sashimi]

Sadly, the squirrel died in a tragic firmware incident.

Those beta updates are risky

 

[Mikael Dez]

Sadly, the squirrel died in a tragic firmware incident.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Agreed. If you like Trainwreck clips where a guy has it cranked in a room with a real cab, I don't see how you can compare any digital iteration unless you're running it through the exact same set up. And if you do that, then the real power amp and cab are likely factoring more into what you're hearing that whatever algorithm.

There's this one video (can't seem to be able to find it right now) where that one guy is playing an SG. The sound is pretty glorious, but it seemed to be running at incredibly loud volume. Which obviously is changing a whole lot of things. Might not even be about real cab vs. whatever FR thingies, sheer volume turns any amp experience into something completely different due to the interaction of volume and guitar.
Same with the videos of Johan Segeborn (that's his name, right?), the guy who is showcasing a whole number of cranked Marshalls while standing pretty close. Especially on lighter or otherwise resonating guitars, that's just a different experience from what you can get in your home studio.
Hence, nothing new here... and fwiw, one of the reasons why I don't like IEM gigs too much. Especially for classic overdriven riffing and amp dynamics, volume is a thing, as much as I wish it was different.

 

[Digital Igloo]

There's this one video (can't seem to be able to find it right now) where that one guy is playing an SG. The sound is pretty glorious, but it seemed to be running at incredibly loud volume. Which obviously is changing a whole lot of things. Might not even be about real cab vs. whatever FR thingies, sheer volume turns any amp experience into something completely different due to the interaction of volume and guitar.
Same with the videos of Johan Segeborn (that's his name, right?), the guy who is showcasing a whole number of cranked Marshalls while standing pretty close. Especially on lighter or otherwise resonating guitars, that's just a different experience from what you can get in your home studio.
Hence, nothing new here... and fwiw, one of the reasons why I don't like IEM gigs too much. Especially for classic overdriven riffing and amp dynamics, volume is a thing, as much as I wish it was different.

Don't most IEMs have limiters built in to keep users from harming their hearing? That might impact the dynamics one feels—or in this case, doesn't feel.