It’s not the modeler…it’s something else that determines the endresult.

[ejecta]

But in what world of anywhere would someone expect a digital box and a couple of glorified PA speakers or worse yet, a pair of headphones; to sound just like a cranked amp through a 4x12? Even when I wasn't using this gear; I could figure that out from the jump It seems pretty common sense minded to me?

Yeah you’d think it would be obvious but some people don’t really think that far and evidently a good number for sure buy into the hype. I don’t think at least a decent number people would have just assumed it would sound like a cranked amp if they hadn’t been told it would by the marketing and forum zealots.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Yeah you’d think it would be obvious but some people don’t really think that far and evidently a good number for sure buy into the hype. I don’t think at least a decent number people would have just assumed it would sound like a cranked amp if they hadn’t been told it would.

Pro-tip: Always Think That FarTM

 

[DrewJD82]

I have a really hard time laying blame at modeling companies when people are making purchases in excess of $2K and not doing so in an informed manner. It takes all of 60 seconds to do a search for what kind of speakers/monitors/output system to use with these, people have been using this technology for over 20 years now. Both TGP and the FAS forum have people asking this question on a daily/weekly basis and a thread on it is generally not far away from the newest post.

 

[pipelineaudio]

There's a lot of different types of claims being made here, with wildly different grasps on reality

 

[riffy]

Man, you guys are giving way too much credit to the general public. Remember, the average IQ is 100. That means half the people are below that. Think about that just for a minute.

 

[fretworn]

Man, you guys are giving way too much credit to the general public. Remember, the average IQ is 100. That means half the people are below that. Think about that just for a minute.

You win the Internet today

 

[fretworn]

Man, you guys are giving way too much credit to the general public. Remember, the average IQ is 100. That means half the people are below that. Think about that just for a minute.

Well half the population is women … a sexiest would say

 

[jay mitchell]

Well half the population is women … a sexiest would say

And clearly some portion of the population doesn't know the correct spelling of "sexist."

 

[fretworn]

And clearly some portion of the population doesn't know the correct spelling of "sexist."

I like the way it is

Or it’s simply autocorrect… lol

You try too hard J to score weak points lmao - you played the Grammar Nazi gambit on the Internet lol

 

[jay mitchell]

The thread title is not complete, nor is the message entirely correct. There's no one thing that "determines the endresult," there are instead a number of things that place limits on the result. Here's a partial list:

1. The modeler.
2. The instrument.
3. The monitoring system.
4. The skills of the user in configuring the modeler.
5. The ability of the player to exploit the capabilities of the system.

Items 4 and 5 also play a role in the ability to recognize and identify issues with items 1 - 3.

 

[jay mitchell]

you played the Grammar Nazi gambit on the Internet

Nope. Just pointed up a little hypocrisy in demeaning the intelligence and/or literacy of others.

 

[fretworn]

Nope. Just pointed up a little hypocrisy in demeaning the intelligence and/or literacy of others.

Really? Ha ha ha

Maybe today I identify as (she)?

What’s it like to have to answer for your humorless utterances and missives?

 

[pipelineaudio]

I’ve had Peruvian purple potatoes…

No thank you … ketchup doesn’t even work

That’s because it’s meant to go with Kalua pig, laulaus and chicken long rice

 

[ragingplatypi]

Yeah you’d think it would be obvious but some people don’t really think that far and evidently a good number for sure buy into the hype. I don’t think at least a decent number people would have just assumed it would sound like a cranked amp if they hadn’t been told it would by the marketing and forum zealots.

Did you have any idea about speakers and marketing hype when you picked up a guitar at age 14? How about 18? How about 22?

 

[Orvillain]

laulaus

mi favoriet toole album

 

[ejecta]

Did you have any idea about speakers and marketing hype when you picked up a guitar at age 14? How about 18? How about 22?

My modeler was a Rockman when I was 14 and a Line 6 POD red bean at about 25. I'm old and still don't have any idea.

 

[ragingplatypi]

My modeler was a Rockman when I was 14 and a Line 6 POD read bean at about 25. I'm old and still don't have any idea.

My brother got a Rockman when I was around 12. I wish I spent more time with it when we had it.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Are people under the impression that speakers are like how some whackaloons think about tubes, like they're some sort of mysterious phenomenon we don't have a very good understanding of? Its pretty common engineering knowledge on how to build a speaker or speaker system to fit specific parameters, and yeah, for our case, where dispersion is pretty important, it can get a bit deep, but its not unobtanium.

It often feels like were having to hear speaker claims and complaints by people who believe in things like tonewood

 

[laxu]

Ya know, with all the advertising and all the word of mouth about modelers, you can't expect the general public to know better.
Ads for the modelers don't mention playback systems. They don't tell you that after you spend almost 2 grand on your modeler,
that you need to spend 1/2 or 2/3s that amount on a good playback system...

Is it unrealistic for some of that to ask that be told also?

I'd say some education would go a long way. Things like:

• That sound of your favorite artist is not just the amp they use but also the speaker cab.
• That sound you hear on record is a mix of the artist performance, guitar gear, recording techniques and tools.
• Volume matters. Yes, even for modelers where the behavior of the amp model is independent from its volume.
• Just like the cab matters for guitar amps, the output system matters for modelers.

But none of that makes for good marketing and would end up with references at the bottom of the website with things like:
1 Marketing claim applies when modeler is played at volumes at or exceeding 95 dB @ 1m.
2 Marketing claim applies when modeler is played with a comparable output system at a matched volume level to tube amp X.
3 Modeler may contain trace amounts of peanuts and squirrels.

 

[James Freeman]

I'd say some education would go a long way. Things like:

• That sound of your favorite artist is not just the amp they use but also the speaker cab.
• That sound you hear on record is a mix of the artist performance, guitar gear, recording techniques and tools.
• Volume matters. Yes, even for modelers where the behavior of the amp model is independent from its volume.
• Just like the cab matters for guitar amps, the output system matters for modelers.

^
This should be the first page in every manual.