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IRs made with tube amps (ML Sound Lab claims)
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This is all I have to offer to this convo.
It’s a fine contribution.
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I don't fight, I expose your weakness.
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That isn't what you have been doing. You have been causing needless arguments by constantly resorting to one-upmanship and strawmanning. You did it to me the other day when talking about the Stadium and you're doing it to Jay now in this thread.
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If it sounds good for your application and you like it, use it.
That said, the thing with ML stuff in particular, but plenty of other IR vendor stuff too, is that if I try to take it as "he's a creator with an artistic vision and maybe I'll like what he's creating" the artistic vision he is promoting is like a painter saying "I love to use color as my main tool to elicit an emotional response from the viewer" when his art is only shown in dimly lit spaces where our vision is dominated by rod receptors (black-and-white only). Which is to say that maybe I like his artistic choices, but there is no way those artistic choices can ever translate into me being able to experience them because the only places I can see his art is in dimly lit spaces where my eyes aren't sensitive to color. I may still be moved by the art, but it's a crap shoot and not at all correlated to the purpose of the work the artist is promoting.
Making an IR has limits that recording a guitar cabinet does not have. Using a special "colorful" mic pre typically used for recording a guitar cabinet does not translate to IR capture. Using a magic room known for great guitar cabinet recordings does not translate to IR capture. Use of a "colorful" amp to record a guitar cabinet does not translate to IR capture. They will have an impact on the IR created, but it's not the same as the impact they have on the sound of a recorded guitar cabinet.
In a world where stock cabs have gotten good enough that at worst, combined with small EQ tweaks, they can get you to the cab-sound you are looking for, ain't nobody got time to try out every IR captured in a new and slightly funky way just to see what happens. Might I be missing out on a glorious guitar sound I didn't know was possible? Sure...but what I'm definitely NOT missing out on is an IR that can give me something that sounds and feels more like playing through a tube amp because he used a tube amp to capture the IR.
That said, the thing with ML stuff in particular, but plenty of other IR vendor stuff too, is that if I try to take it as "he's a creator with an artistic vision and maybe I'll like what he's creating" the artistic vision he is promoting is like a painter saying "I love to use color as my main tool to elicit an emotional response from the viewer" when his art is only shown in dimly lit spaces where our vision is dominated by rod receptors (black-and-white only). Which is to say that maybe I like his artistic choices, but there is no way those artistic choices can ever translate into me being able to experience them because the only places I can see his art is in dimly lit spaces where my eyes aren't sensitive to color. I may still be moved by the art, but it's a crap shoot and not at all correlated to the purpose of the work the artist is promoting.
Making an IR has limits that recording a guitar cabinet does not have. Using a special "colorful" mic pre typically used for recording a guitar cabinet does not translate to IR capture. Using a magic room known for great guitar cabinet recordings does not translate to IR capture. Use of a "colorful" amp to record a guitar cabinet does not translate to IR capture. They will have an impact on the IR created, but it's not the same as the impact they have on the sound of a recorded guitar cabinet.
In a world where stock cabs have gotten good enough that at worst, combined with small EQ tweaks, they can get you to the cab-sound you are looking for, ain't nobody got time to try out every IR captured in a new and slightly funky way just to see what happens. Might I be missing out on a glorious guitar sound I didn't know was possible? Sure...but what I'm definitely NOT missing out on is an IR that can give me something that sounds and feels more like playing through a tube amp because he used a tube amp to capture the IR.
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I don't mean to pick on you specifically @deathbyguitar but I see this attitude all over guitar forums, and it is certainly a position to take. If you don't care, then you don't care. I'm not going to force anyone to care.
But you don't get to say others shouldn't care, and you don't get to denigrate others' experience and knowledge in order to maintain a fiction that how something is created doesn't matter. Because it simply does matter. Maybe not to you and your scope of concerns. But to others it does. People should accept that. When we have discussions about accuracy and we explore the concepts and the potential DSP impacts behind these systems, we are not telling you that you must care. All we're doing is exploring the topic.
These constant drive by assasination attempts are getting very boring now.
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Shut-Up And Give Me My Fake Speaker™
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Good lord, how may times I have to tell that I can't talk to you if don't provide me and updated resumee?
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You see @Orvillain.
We didn't argue about technical stuff the other day. Not at all. You believe that, that's your limit.
And I'm not having a technical conversation with Jay either, he is just being as pedantic as he can be.
We didn't argue about technical stuff the other day. Not at all. You believe that, that's your limit.
And I'm not having a technical conversation with Jay either, he is just being as pedantic as he can be.
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I knew it!Not that much
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Chocol8
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So you are intentionally trolling and arguing? There is another forum where that would be a better fit. Well they call it a page rather than a forum.
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All that needs to be said about IR's - they're are decidely not art. They are a tool, captured in a technical manner, to deliver a particular experience.
When you're buying IR's you're not buying art. You're buying a technically captured copy of THAT cab with THOSE speakers using THOSE mics in THAT room with THAT amount of detail.
If Bogren comes along and adds a fuck ton of highs to the IR's, you're not buying Bogren's engineering talents. You're buying pre-shaped IR's. That's it.
The original video makes some okay points. But a lot of it is just marketing hype nonsense. Which is fine. That's what companies do.
When you're buying IR's you're not buying art. You're buying a technically captured copy of THAT cab with THOSE speakers using THOSE mics in THAT room with THAT amount of detail.
If Bogren comes along and adds a fuck ton of highs to the IR's, you're not buying Bogren's engineering talents. You're buying pre-shaped IR's. That's it.
The original video makes some okay points. But a lot of it is just marketing hype nonsense. Which is fine. That's what companies do.
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I am not, you can go back and read how it started.
I've expressed a simple thought with no argumentative attitude whatsoever and got an overly pedantic answer.
