IRs made with tube amps (ML Sound Lab claims)

[ian_dissonance]

different only if you want to stubbornly don't understand the meaning of what I was saying.

 

[HotRats]

 

[Chocol8]

They often offer so called mixes and even the single mic IRs are the result of their decision. The result of their craft.



Is different only if you want to stubbornly don't understand the meaning of what I was saying.

I think the answer lies in the middle of what you two are saying. Yes there is some art to mic’ing a cab that is part of the IR process. BUT, that’s just the beginning of what you get when you hire a decent studio engineer. They don’t just randomly mic up a cab the way they like and see if you like it. Then rinse and repeat until you like the result. They take into account your equipment and tone and the context of the songs and adjust what they are doing on an artist by artist or even song by song basis.

Think about the difference between buying a York IR pack and then choosing the best one for your needs vs hiring York to work with you (and maybe a producer) to create an IR tailored to your sound goals. Very different.

 

[Chocol8]

Who cares how it's done

It’s not how he does it or even the results I find distasteful, it’s the BS he says.

 

[HotRats]

I think the answer lies in the middle of what you two are saying. Yes there is some art to mic’ing a cab that is part of the IR process. BUT, that’s just the beginning of what you get when you hire a decent studio engineer. They don’t just randomly mic up a cab the way they like and see if you like it. Then rinse and repeat until you like the result. They take into account your equipment and tone and the context of the songs and adjust what they are doing on an artist by artist or even song by song basis.

Think about the difference between buying a York IR pack and then choosing the best one for your needs vs hiring York to work with you (and maybe a producer) to create an IR tailored to your sound goals. Very different.

Well, I don't literally mean what I wrote.

Was a way to say: who cares how an IR is made as long as sounds good (to you).

I guess the message wasn't clear enough.

 

[jay mitchell]

Well, I don't literally mean what I wrote.

Now you tell us.

Was a way to say: who cares how an IR is made as long as sounds good (to you).

That is not remotely the same as what you wrote.

I guess the message wasn't clear enough.

Ya think?

 

[jay mitchell]

Who cares how it's done as long as the customer enjoys the result?

You could say that about almost anything. When someone represents themselves as knowledgeable and uses pseudo-technical assertions to sell products, no valid objection can be made against someone who actually is knowledgeable pointing that out.

Yes there's a science to all of this but it's in service of art above all else.

Then call it art and don't try to bullshit people with "science."

 

[Chocol8]

Bonus points for pulling in a Thomas Dolby reference in 2026!

 

[deathbyguitar]

It’s not how he does it or even the results I find distasteful, it’s the BS he says.

That's fair

 

[Alex Kenivel]

99% of IR's suck because for years they were sold in packs containing like 1000 variations of the same thing that no one ever cared about or wanted

Show me on the cone where the IR touched you, kimg.

IR hucksters

 

[EOengineer]

Dr. Nick Riviera strikes again.

 

[HotRats]

Now you tell us.

Ok, read it again, this time trying to understand.

Is not that difficult if you don't take everything as a personal crusade against whatever you're fighting in your mind.

After all IRs can be seen as an artistic product that carries the sound signature of the single vendor.

Is not much different than going to a specific sound engineer for recording your guitars.

That is not remotely the same as what you wrote

Yes it is. You choose a sound engineer because, among other things, you like how he record things.

Same thing with IR vendors, you choose one because you like how their IR sound.

You don't care how the work is done, you care about the sound you get.

.

Ya think?

Now you tell us.

A final consideration....you should really remember that forum threads are not scientific papers, there's no need to read things like you're making a peer review.

When you do it you sound like a guy that's on the beach at night with his girlfriend, both ready to have sex on the sand but.....

GF: my love, look at the moon, tonight is making the perfect light for us

Jay: no! you are wrong, it doesn't work like that! the moon is just reflecting sun light, she can't emit light. And what does "making light" even mean?? you can't make light, light is a conversion of other forms of energy!

GF: ....

Jay: why are you crying now?

GF: asshole

Girlfriend walks away

Jay: ???

 

[afonsom98]

I like some of the stuff sold by ML Sound Lab. Several of the drum sounds are great, in my opinion. I've made comparisons. I also remember liking some of his IRs many years ago.

But recently I bought his capture pack. It's something ML Sound Lab hadn't done before. IRs are included, captured some "special" way, I think. Unless I'm mistaken, it was said in a video that the micing is "perfect."

The pack: https://ml-sound-lab.com/pages/essentials-capture-pack

The amp portions of the captures are okay (the Rectifier being really good for me). But the IRs are so muddy. I couldn't quite understand why or how. Thought something was wrong with my tonex settings somewhere. Or could it be that's what more proper IRs sound like?

Eventually I swapped out the IRs and the sound became massively better. It's just my taste, but I'm not convinced by these special approaches to IR making so far. But of course it may just the main problem is the micing, nothing else.

Its just taste. His Reflex IR are awsome when playing live with in ears, because of the fullness of those particular IRs. For mixing, not my cup of tea, but live playing with in ears, his IR (in my opinion) are better than York Audio because they more mids, and cut in the mix better. Although, York Audio have better feel when playing, but are thinner in a live mix (IN MY EXPERIENCE)

 

[Dimiguitar]

Its just taste. His Reflex IR are awsome when playing live with in ears, because of the fullness of those particular IRs. For mixing, not my cup of tea, but live playing with in ears, his IR (in my opinion) are better than York Audio because they more mids, and cut in the mix better. Although, York Audio have better feel when playing, but are thinner in a live mix (IN MY EXPERIENCE)

I checked some of the old ML sound lab IRs I had. Pretty good. I don't know why the ones from the capture pack seem as muddy to me.

 

[afonsom98]

I checked some of the old ML sound lab IRs I had. Pretty good. I don't know why the ones from the capture pack seem as muddy to me.

The thing about him I dont get his, I saw an old video of him explaing how he does the capturing, he uses the amps, not solid state power amps to make the IR (Mesa Cab IRs made with mesa amps, etc...) because of the "response" or some bs, but if I use a Mesa Cab IR with a Fender amp, will the Mesa Amp response and impedience be in the Fender amp?

video:

 

[Chocol8]

If what he is saying doesn't make sense to you, there is a good chance it's because you understand what he is talking about better than he does.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[jay mitchell]

if I use a Mesa Cab IR with a Fender amp, will the Mesa Amp response and impedience be in the Fender amp?

The "response and impedience [sic]" of the cab won't be in any amp you use the IR with. It may sound good to you, but there's absolutely no technical basis for his assertions.

 

[jay mitchell]

You choose a sound engineer because, among other things, you like how he record things.

You insist on defending an analogy that is not applicable here. Not by any stretch.

This is simple: if you buy a product that the "sound engineer" whose work you like is selling, you aren't getting his (her) recording expertise, although (s)he may tell you that in the sales pitch. Using an IR Justin York sold you is in no way equivalent to having him record and/or produce your guitar tracks.

You don't care how the work is done, you care about the sound you get.

Anyone who thinks that using an IR - any IR, from any source - is going to give them the sound they're chasing is delusional. There's no magic bullet.

you should really remember that forum threads are not scientific papers,

I'm well aware, which is why I don't include physics or arithmetic in my posts. I try to make them simple enough that even you can understand them. I don't always succeed....

You, OTOH, should really remember that projecting your sexual fantasies on others is creepy enough when you keep it to yourself. It's beyond creepy when you share them publicly.

 

[MTB1973]

This is all I have to offer to this convo.