IRs made with tube amps (ML Sound Lab claims)

[Orvillain]

This is what jumped out at me. He intentionally chose an amp he knew was not neutral in order to demonstrate the need for calibration. Uh, why not just use a neutral amp?

In short, he believes in homeopathic IR remedies for your health.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Dr. Nick Riviera strikes again.

 

[Chocol8]

In short, he believes in homeopathic IR remedies for your health.

To cure the ills caused by the other remedies he is selling.

“Drink this, and when it makes you sick, take two of these”

 

[jay mitchell]

i wonder too if things like voice coil temps (i.e. a speaker thats been under load for an hour) might be worthwhile avenues to look at for designers...

Because the conductors commonly used in voice coils - aluminum and copper - both have positive temperature coefficients of resistance, the resistive component of a speaker's impedance will increase with temperature. That alters key speaker parameters - including overall sensitivity and some T-S values. It would have a small effect on the IR, however. Reduced sensitivity is a nonissue: IR's contain relative, not absolute, data. Changes in T-S parameters would have a significant effect on a tuned port system, not so much on a guitar cab. Add to that the fact that guitar speaker voice coils are not tolerant of especially high temperatures - many formers are paper - and the result is that the changes are pretty small.

lord knows my h30s sound different in that condition,

As a practical matter, if you've exposed yourself to that high an SPL long enough for the speakers to stabilize at their maximum safe operating temperature, you've caused much greater changes in your hearing than in the speakers themselves.

 

[Chocol8]

Dr. Nick Riviera strikes again.

I don’t know, Dr. Nick is a little more truthful in his advertising!

 

[HotRats]

This is what jumped out at me. He intentionally chose an amp he knew was not neutral in order to demonstrate the need for calibration. Uh, why not just use a neutral amp?

because he is just trying to sell his IRs and a story

 

[newholland]

As a practical matter, if you've exposed yourself to that high an SPL long enough for the speakers to stabilize at their maximum safe operating temperature, you've caused much 0greater changes in your hearing than in the speakers themselves.

hahaha.. who you tellin?


earplugs my good man! rock isn't a safe game- need yer PPE!

that very well coulda also been the transformers and/or the entire circuit on the smaller tube amps running them running outa steam too!

appreciate the answers! lotta separate pieces to assemble to make a proper digitized model.

 

[Chocol8]

because he is just trying to sell his IRs and a story

= Snakeoil

 

[Chocol8]

lotta separate pieces to assemble to make a proper digitized model.

To tie this back to Freddy Krueger, I found the process of making my own IR’s to be relatively easy…until I actually tried it.

 

[Devin]

99% of IR's suck because for years they were sold in packs containing like 1000 variations of the same thing that no one ever cared about or wanted

 

[Dimiguitar]

I like some of the stuff sold by ML Sound Lab. Several of the drum sounds are great, in my opinion. I've made comparisons. I also remember liking some of his IRs many years ago.

But recently I bought his capture pack. It's something ML Sound Lab hadn't done before. IRs are included, captured some "special" way, I think. Unless I'm mistaken, it was said in a video that the micing is "perfect."

The pack: https://ml-sound-lab.com/pages/essentials-capture-pack

The amp portions of the captures are okay (the Rectifier being really good for me). But the IRs are so muddy. I couldn't quite understand why or how. Thought something was wrong with my tonex settings somewhere. Or could it be that's what more proper IRs sound like?

Eventually I swapped out the IRs and the sound became massively better. It's just my taste, but I'm not convinced by these special approaches to IR making so far. But of course it may just the main problem is the micing, nothing else.

 

[jay mitchell]

I'm not convinced by these special approaches to IR making so far.

There's absolutely nothing "special" in "these special approaches to IR making."

 

[Dimiguitar]

There's absolutely nothing "special" in "these special approaches to IR making."

But there is something different in his approach, right?

 

[Dimiguitar]

I don't understand much about the technicalities of making IRs from real cabs, even though I've EQ matched a lot.

 

[jay mitchell]

But there is something different in his approach, right?

Different from what, exactly? It's certainly different from well-established good data acquisition practice, but so are the approaches of pretty much every IR huckster - err, "vendor" - out there.

 

[HotRats]

Different from what, exactly? It's certainly different from well-established good data acquisition practice, but so are the approaches of pretty much every IR huckster - err, "vendor" - out there.

After all IRs can be seen as an artistic product that carries the sound signature of the single vendor.

Is not much different than going to a specific sound engineer for recording your guitars.

 

[jay mitchell]

After all IRs can be seen as an artistic product that carries the sound signature of the single vendor.

If that were truly the case, vendors would not provide details of the speakers, cabs, mic positions, etc. they'd use purely subjective ("artistic") verbiage to describe and designate their products.

Is not much different than going to a specific sound engineer for recording your guitars.

Actually it's a lot different from that. "A specific sound engineer for recording your guitars" will take an active part in the recording process and exercise their judgement in making decisions. You'll never get the same result with just an IR.

 

[HotRats]

If that were truly the case, vendors would not provide details of the speakers, cabs, mic positions, etc. they'd use purely subjective ("artistic") verbiage to describe and designate their products.

They often offer so called mixes and even the single mic IRs are the result of their decision. The result of their craft.

Actually it's a lot different from that. "A specific sound engineer for recording your guitars" will take an active part in the recording process and exercise their judgement in making decisions. You'll never get the same result with just an IR.

Is different only if you want to stubbornly don't understand the meaning of what I was saying.

 

[Orvillain]

There's absolutely nothing "special" in "these special approaches to IR making."

I disagree. They're very special

 

[deathbyguitar]

There's absolutely nothing "special" in "these special approaches to IR making."

Well everyone has a different approach to doing it. Who cares how it's done as long as the customer enjoys the result? Yes there's a science to all of this but it's in service of art above all else. The ends justify the means.

I'm not a fan of ML IRs generally (I prefer York DynaCabs) but Miko certainly has a customer base and more power to him. I can't tell if your problem with him is the methods that he touts as special, that he's an IR vendor in the first place or a little of both.