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[Nathan]
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I did a handful when the update dropped and it was pretty night and day better than before. I’m doing a pack of NAM and ToneX now and will compare the two.
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Can’t wait to hear them!
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Seems I’ve totally missed the Extended thing. Where do you choose that? I’ve looked around and thought they ditched the different training levels or something.
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[Nathan]
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You got to the hamburger first haha, yeah thats the one.
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Thanks dean and Nathan! I think my power amp capture is OK on Optimized but the high gain caps I’m planning will def be on Extended.
I’ve got 14 years in UI/UX but IK makes sure to surprise me. I don’t know if I should be impressed or pissed that I missed that hamburger!
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Sascha Franck
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So, scoob701 is you? If so, apart from me being able to find all your captures easily in the Tonex plugin, I'd really like to thank you as there's some pretty exellent captures among them! I might use one as the base dirt tone on Friday's gig.
The only thing I wished was that you tagged them as amp+cab captures so the Tonex software could do its magic and remove the cab portion (which, at least on some captures, works quite well), hence allowing me to use my own IRs.
But then, maybe it's just not needed as some of them are just excellent on their own. Plus, they seem to be considerably less noisy than other captures of comparable gain structures.
Thanks again!
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Tried that profile out last night and thought it was great! I'll use that somewhere in our band sets once I spend some more time with it to dial it in on my rig. This is a great alternative for high gain Dual Rec/Triple Rec song tones and I am already using one of your V2 Triple Rec profiles you updated a few weeks ago.
BTW, I'm on +2 for my input trim. I find that works best on both my LP's and my Tele, good middle ground. I'm also able to control the input of the guitar signal somewhat with the master volume knob on my Stomp XL and that seems to fine tune it depending on if I'm playing at home or at band practice setups.
Thanks again for the profile!
Sascha Franck
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Ok, I've asked this before, but here we go again (in case it just got lost): Is there any way to control multiple Tonex Ones from one central "MIDI-to-Tonex-lingo" device? The ones made by Pirate MIDI and Airstep all seem to be made to only work with one single device, and I don't feel like adding one device per each TO to my setup.
And before someone asks: No, getting a big Tonex instead doesn't really help as my main floorboard setup is based around the idea of having multiple (so far 2) physically separated devices available. Also, the fact that the TO is always in auto-save mode, is quite what my doctor ordered.
What I want would be: Use the A/B switching of the TOs to preselect patches per "channel" (the two TOs in the loops of the GT-1000 - at least as soon as the second one arrives, possibly on thursday).
I can of course do that right now already, really don't need access to any of the TOs FX, either, so gain, volume and tone stack control is absolutely fine, but due to the nature of the standard pots, I keep running into parameter jumps, can't keep track of what was set how and what not. Even the smallest Pirate MIDI box would adress that just nicely, as the corresponding app shows the updated parameter values per channels A/B all the time.
But cramming more than one of those boxes onto my board would be nothing I wanted, let alone I'd possibly have to disconnect and reconnect to either box all the time.
If there was a single MIDI-in box being able to control two TOs, I could defenitely envision purchasing one of those 16 knob MIDI controller boxes (which are quite affordable by now) and set it up so I could control volume and the tonestack of the 4 available TO channels at any time. That'd actually be pretty much a dream come true for the way I like to deal with things live.
And before someone asks: No, getting a big Tonex instead doesn't really help as my main floorboard setup is based around the idea of having multiple (so far 2) physically separated devices available. Also, the fact that the TO is always in auto-save mode, is quite what my doctor ordered.
What I want would be: Use the A/B switching of the TOs to preselect patches per "channel" (the two TOs in the loops of the GT-1000 - at least as soon as the second one arrives, possibly on thursday).
I can of course do that right now already, really don't need access to any of the TOs FX, either, so gain, volume and tone stack control is absolutely fine, but due to the nature of the standard pots, I keep running into parameter jumps, can't keep track of what was set how and what not. Even the smallest Pirate MIDI box would adress that just nicely, as the corresponding app shows the updated parameter values per channels A/B all the time.
But cramming more than one of those boxes onto my board would be nothing I wanted, let alone I'd possibly have to disconnect and reconnect to either box all the time.
If there was a single MIDI-in box being able to control two TOs, I could defenitely envision purchasing one of those 16 knob MIDI controller boxes (which are quite affordable by now) and set it up so I could control volume and the tonestack of the 4 available TO channels at any time. That'd actually be pretty much a dream come true for the way I like to deal with things live.
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I’m not super familiar with the Tonex One tbh, but I gather that it can receive MIDI over USB from a host and that’s how the Airstep stuff works?
If so, I wonder if something like the CME H4MIDI WC or H2MIDI Pro + an inexpensive USB hub would work. You’d still need a MIDI footswitch controller to control the H4MIDI, but any generic one should do.
E.g. footswitch controller MIDI DIN out > H4MIDI MIDI DIN in
H4MIDI USB A > USB hub with 2+ USB C ports
And then from those ports to the Tonex Ones
You’d then use the editor to program the H4MIDI to route whatever MIDI events it receives in the MIDI In to those USB outs.
All the same should work with the H2MIDI Pro too, but the 20USD extra (70USD vs 50USD) feels worth it for the extra ports and WIDI / Bluetooth midi support in case you need them later. The extra size might not be worth it though, depending on your board.
And both can be powered via USB or with a 9V DC adapter (barrel connector).
And just to say again: I am not 100% sure on how USB MIDI works with the Tonex One, so please verify that first.
CME H2MIDI Pro: Compact USB Host MIDI Interface + router, filter & mapper
The world's smallest USB Host MIDI Interface packed with advanced features. Route, filter and map all MIDI messages via the free software!
www.cme-pro.com
CME H4MIDI WC: USB Host MIDI Interface + Router, Filter, Mapper
The world's most advanced USB Host MIDI Interface with routing, filtering and mapping of MIDI messages via its free HxMIDI Tool software
www.cme-pro.com
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Nope! It doesn't have any MIDI capabilities at all, but it can talk to the IK editor over USB and some third parties have managed to hack that capability to allow more control of the device than what IK provides.
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Ohhh interesting… and annoying! Never mind then haha
Sascha Franck
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Unfortunately, it's not that trivial (at first I thought it'd be, only to find out it's different). Tonex is using whatever proprietary messages that need translation from MIDI-to-Tonex-language (and vice versa if you want bidirectional communication). But there's been some clever folks who have "hacked" and translated these messages. There's a github project centered around it, from all I know, Pirate MIDI and Airstep are using it this and only deliver the hardware frontend:
GitHub - Builty/TonexOneController: Embedded controller for the IK Multimedia Tonex One, Tonex Pedal, and Valeton GP5 guitar pedals
Embedded controller for the IK Multimedia Tonex One, Tonex Pedal, and Valeton GP5 guitar pedals - Builty/TonexOneController
github.com
To me it's not unlikely that IK deliberately tried to rule out MIDI communication for the Tonex One as it'd cannibalize sales of the bigger unit.
And well, regarding certain aspects (in fact pretty much all aspects), the Tonex One controlled via a Pirate MIDI box or an Airstep switch is in fact a much more powerful thing than the fullsize Tonex.
Chocol8
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The best part is the OG Tonex Pedal does have midi capabilities so leaving it off the One is extra annoying!
Sascha Franck
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Btw, the guy I bought my first TO from has built his own Builty (see github) box with a little Arduino thing (from all I know) - unfortunately I didn't grab it from him and it's given away by now. Anyhow, he was able to control the TO from an Mvave Chocolate MIDI switcher via BT.
Sascha Franck
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As said above, I'm pretty sure it's a deliberate decision, so there's more incentives for people to purchase full size units.
synthpenguin
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Unfortunately, it's not that trivial (at first I thought it'd be, only to find out it's different). Tonex is using whatever proprietary messages that need translation from MIDI-to-Tonex-language (and vice versa if you want bidirectional communication). But there's been some clever folks who have "hacked" and translated these messages. There's a github project centered around it, from all I know, Pirate MIDI and Airstep are using it this and only deliver the hardware frontend:
GitHub - Builty/TonexOneController: Embedded controller for the IK Multimedia Tonex One, Tonex Pedal, and Valeton GP5 guitar pedals
Embedded controller for the IK Multimedia Tonex One, Tonex Pedal, and Valeton GP5 guitar pedals - Builty/TonexOneController
To me it's not unlikely that IK deliberately tried to rule out MIDI communication for the Tonex One as it'd cannibalize sales of the bigger unit.
And well, regarding certain aspects (in fact pretty much all aspects), the Tonex One controlled via a Pirate MIDI box or an Airstep switch is in fact a much more powerful thing than the fullsize Tonex.
Yeah, that’s a pain. And you would think one of these companies making Tonex One controllers would make a version with two USB C ports since so many people run stereo Tonex One setups.
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Quite possibly, but it is IK so you can't rule out other options, including them being annoying intentionally just to fuck with us. Look at the software, it must have taken a lot of extra effort to make the UI that convoluted! I find it hard to believe they could have accidentally made it that bad!
Sascha Franck
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That'd be just perfect for my needs. Not even because of the stereo aspect, but simply because I could control two units from one controller (hardware or app based).
synthpenguin
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Yeah! I have been using the MIDI fairly extensively and it’s been the only thing that has stopped me from “downgrading” to a Tonex One. Though before I assumed it was at least available over USB lol.
