I was wrong about the QC

[DLC86]

The QC uses the Analog Devices ADSP-SC589 processor, dual core 500 MHz. What they want is a single core version of that, and the closest would be the SC582, at a quick glance. The SC582 is about $15 cheaper than the SC589. That doesn't sound like a lot but we are talking about things purchased in 1000+ unit lots.

Other cost savings could be e.g a cheaper chassis design (plastic instead of aluminium?), less footswitches/encoders, I/O etc.

Afaik the QC uses two of those (EDIT: yep https://www.analog.com/en/lp/001/customer-success-stories-quad-cortex.html), so they'd just need to pull out one of those chips to halve the processing power. Same as what Fractal did with FM9 and FM3 the other way around.

PS: But now newer Sharc chips are available with double the processing power than those, so they could also make a smaller version with pretty much the same capabilities as the QC.

 

[mbenigni]

Love me some Vernon. He was one of my biggest early influences. Living Colour will always have a special place in my heart.

I’m going to go listen to Funny Vibe right now.

That whole damned band is just a tsunami of talent.

 

[mbenigni]

Afaik the QC uses two of those (or maybe one SC589 and one SC587), so they'd just need to pull out one of those chips to halve the processing power. Same as what Fractal did with FM9 and FM3 the other way around

That's what I was expecting before reading @laxu's post above.

Re: pulling one chip and presenting half as many lanes of otherwise equivalent functionality, see also HX Stomp? Or is that an entirely different chip?

 

[Achilles]

I mean... sure. But it's not like an IEC cable isn't also a physical object.

Back when I was gigging with 3 Mutron pedals the thick AC cords coming out of them were an absolute BITCH to manage.
I was so happy when AC adapters started showing up everywhere.

 

[DLC86]

That's what I was expecting before reading @laxu's post above.

Re: pulling one chip and presenting half as many lanes of otherwise equivalent functionality, see also HX Stomp? Or is that an entirely different chip?

Also see this part I added later

PS: But now newer Sharc chips are available with double the processing power than those, so they could also make a smaller version with pretty much the same capabilities as the QC.

 

[SeeD]

Has anyone ever reported that their PSU was broken? Did not work? Damaged their unit in some way?

Golden Profit are high quality PSUs and are used by a lot of the major brands - they just put their own label on the unit most of the time.
The decision to include that particular power supply is the issue - not the PSU itself.

I own a Quad Cortex, aaaaaaaad I don`t give a f*uck about the power supply. It`s been working every time. No problems. It gives it power, so I can make music!
Gaaaad daaaam

Sounds good - check
Easy to use - check
Touchscreen - check
Got models and capture tech - check
Capturing ..Amps, Drives, Boost, Cabs - check
Hums with only HP - check
I Don`t play with only HP - check
Small size - check
Need to hear from `other fanboys` shit on it every other day - check
Im a Fractal Audio fan - check
Rotery encoders - check
I don`t care about plugins on the QC - check
Don`t have to wait to get a model in the unit, as I can capture it myself - check

Do I really care what some dude says on a forum, nope - check

Neural messed up a lot - check
But does it work and sound good, yes - check

 

[GTR37]

The power supply itself is not causing the noise and spec'ing power supplies is easy.

- Does it have enough volts and amps?
- Does it have all of the Safety Agency approvals?
- Is the price right?

That's all there is to it.






stop picking on the helpless little adapter.......

lol I don’t think it Golden profits power supplies , I was thinking It’s more of the golden nuggets in
Helisinki that did something wrong

 

[texhex]

Shouldn’t this thread be locked by now.

Oh wait… wrong Board.

 

[Achilles]

But does it work and sound good, yes - check

AMEN!

The way some talk you'd think Neural stole their dog!

 

[Achilles]

golden nuggets

 

[GTR37]

I own a Quad Cortex, aaaaaaaad I don`t give a f*uck about the power supply. It`s been working every time. No problems. It gives it power, so I can make music!
Gaaaad daaaam

Sounds good - check
Easy to use - check
Touchscreen - check
Got models and capture tech - check
Capturing ..Amps, Drives, Boost, Cabs - check
Hums with only HP - check
I Don`t play with only HP - check
Small size - check
Need to hear from `other fanboys` shit on it every other day - check
Im a Fractal Audio fan - check
Rotery encoders - check
I don`t care about plugins on the QC - check
Don`t have to wait to get a model in the unit, as I can capture it myself - check

Do I really care what some dude says on a forum, nope - check

Neural messed up a lot - check
But does it work and sound good, yes - check

Seriously I look at back at that first video where they are doing TW XTC damn what a sound , do the captures actually sound like that , when I first got the QC we had none of those

 

[Jarick]

Just to expand a bit.

I've had dozens of modelers. It's a problem. Even when I don't like something I tend to try it multiple times just to be sure. I really don't have a dog in the fight because I've never gotten payment or free gear for anything. And I don't really have any friends in the industry. Just a dude behind a keyboard that likes to mess around with and talk about gear.

QC has been on my desk since I got it several months ago. It's really fun to use, sounds really good, easy to make tones, and almost never frustrates me. I'm big on reducing the friction to play and use devices, and the QC has so little friction. Size is compact enough to use on the desk, and with the UI you never need to connect to a computer. Tones are almost plug and play especially compared to a lot of other units that require tweaking.

I dunno, I feel like the QC is getting constantly dragged for no real reason. It's a really great device and deserves more love. Maybe it's just me, but again having gone through a bunch of Kempers, Boss, Headrush, Helix/HX Stomp, and Fractals, it's right near the top for me.

 

[laxu]

Afaik the QC uses two of those (EDIT: yep https://www.analog.com/en/lp/001/customer-success-stories-quad-cortex.html), so they'd just need to pull out one of those chips to halve the processing power. Same as what Fractal did with FM9 and FM3 the other way around.

PS: But now newer Sharc chips are available with double the processing power than those, so they could also make a smaller version with pretty much the same capabilities as the QC.

Thanks for the correction, I remembered they just used one of them. So yeah, one would do.

The new SC598 will probably power a lot of future modelers, including ones from Fractal and maybe Line6. It doubles the core clock speed of the SC589 for both the SHARC and ARM cores.

 

[SeeD]

Seriously I look at back at that first video where they are doing TW XTC damn what a sound , do the captures actually sound like that , when I first got the QC we had none of those

This is wierd, I was just playing with these Bogner XTC captures, we have preamp captures and full amp captures of this amp. I used the preamp capture and feed that into a poweramp capture of a Marshall JMP, and yes sir, it sounds good
I love this amp, I hope we get a model of it to someday

 

[Mongillo19]

Seriously I look at back at that first video where they are doing TW XTC damn what a sound , do the captures actually sound like that , when I first got the QC we had none of those

Some captures do, some don't

The age old pros/cons of captures vs models. The QC imo is the best in the box all in one unit that has captures. Yes the Kemper has a more extensive and mature ecosystem but to me the QC captures the amp better and also has models.

However, with NDSP dragging their feet, we've since seen the release of Tone X (while it isn't an all in and one and also has its issues) is 1/4th the price of the QC and plays captures at a more accurate rate. We've also seen other companies dip their toes into the capture realm. When the QC was released, the only other capture device was the kemper which I think most can admit was getting to be considered "old tech".

But again, tone x or any other device with captures doesn't offer the whole package. This is what is so frustrating about the QC. It's a marvelous idea, sounds great, but just has very very frustrating qualities about it.

I am curious about the rumored new device though. Especially with my influx of tube amps, I'm becoming more interested in capture tech.

The QC sounds great, again I don't think anyone will deny that. I do think the captures are better than the models, but that's just me. But the issue is, even if we say that all amp models across all brands sound good and comparable, you take one look at QC effects and it's just so lacking. No UI is going to make up for that. I will take a little more complex UI and learn the device if it means I get more content. Add in the QC issues of the QC, empty promises (again I don't recall any other device that marketed an unreleased product to do so many things that were not available at launch let alone 3 years later), and over the top marketing.....I don't think it's crazy for someone to not want the product or have a negative view on the company.

 

[timbuck3]

Just to expand a bit.

I've had dozens of modelers. It's a problem. Even when I don't like something I tend to try it multiple times just to be sure. I really don't have a dog in the fight because I've never gotten payment or free gear for anything. And I don't really have any friends in the industry. Just a dude behind a keyboard that likes to mess around with and talk about gear.

QC has been on my desk since I got it several months ago. It's really fun to use, sounds really good, easy to make tones, and almost never frustrates me. I'm big on reducing the friction to play and use devices, and the QC has so little friction. Size is compact enough to use on the desk, and with the UI you never need to connect to a computer. Tones are almost plug and play especially compared to a lot of other units that require tweaking.

I dunno, I feel like the QC is getting constantly dragged for no real reason. It's a really great device and deserves more love. Maybe it's just me, but again having gone through a bunch of Kempers, Boss, Headrush, Helix/HX Stomp, and Fractals, it's right near the top for me.

But is it your one and only modeler you have? I bet not. For someone who wants only 1 modeler the qc may not be the right one as it’s very limited

 

[eggpl@nt]

I feel like the QC is getting constantly dragged for no real reason

It still can’t do what NDSP said it could do at or soon after launch, and there are other issues beside, albeit maybe not as universally experienced (noise, touchscreen, WiFi, etc). I’m not gonna sweat your swag or say you shouldn’t enjoy but there are plenty of reasons for the dragging.

One could argue that that’s grounds for dragging NDSP and not the QC itself; and to that I say, peace.

 

[mbenigni]

I was so happy when AC adapters started showing up everywhere.

Can I tell you how happy I was to start seeing tiny, high capacity USB rechargeable batteries start showing up everywhere?

 

[JiveTurkey]

When An April Fool's Thread Goes WrongTM

 

[Achilles]

I don't think it's crazy for someone to not want the product or have a negative view on the company.

I get your points but you talk as if Neural is the only MI company that's ever miss-lead their customers with what proved to be falsehoods.
Nor are they the only MI company to fudge release dates.