I was wrong about the QC

[SeeD]

Hey, I had both side-by-side. The QC screen was bigger, but far worse in every other way

 

[mbenigni]

The QC uses the Analog Devices ADSP-SC589 processor, dual core 500 MHz. What they want is a single core version of that, and the closest would be the SC582, at a quick glance. The SC582 is about $15 cheaper than the SC589. That doesn't sound like a lot but we are talking about things purchased in 1000+ unit lots.

Other cost savings could be e.g a cheaper chassis design (plastic instead of aluminium?), less footswitches/encoders, I/O etc.

I don't even have a point of reference/ percentage basis here. That's a $15 savings over... what's the cost of an ADSP-SC589?

 

[mbenigni]

It took me a second, but yeah. This is the tl;dr meme for my post above.

 

[laxu]

I don't even have a point of reference/ percentage basis here. That's a $15 savings over... what's the cost of an ADSP-SC589?

$24.98 vs $39.98 per 1000+ units. So for 1000 units sold that's $15K saved which is not much, but it's not nothing either. That's why the overall saving needs to be in other places too to push the price point to something like maybe $800-1000.

 

[Whizzinby]

The QC uses the Analog Devices ADSP-SC589 processor, dual core 500 MHz. What they want is a single core version of that, and the closest would be the SC582, at a quick glance. The SC582 is about $15 cheaper than the SC589. That doesn't sound like a lot but we are talking about things purchased in 1000+ unit lots.

Other cost savings could be e.g a cheaper chassis design (plastic instead of aluminium?), less footswitches/encoders, I/O etc.

Yeah, the real savings will be the smaller enclosure, half the footswitches, reduced IO, and less about the chips etc.

And I don’t even think it’s so much about making a “cheap” unit, just smaller and cheap(er). $1,000 would be a good target.

Imo they’d be much better off not bonking the device by reducing functionality (capture only etc) or even trying to compete in the budget modeler market. Doesn’t seem on brand for them either.

 

[laxu]

Yeah, the real savings will be the smaller enclosure, half the footswitches, reduced IO, and less about the chips etc.

And I don’t even think it’s so much about making a “cheap” unit, just smaller and cheap(er). $1,000 would be a good target.

Imo they’d be much better off not bonking the device by reducing functionality (capture only etc) or even trying to compete in the budget modeler market. Doesn’t seem on brand for them either.

I'd say chopping the performance in half will already constrain what it does without doing anything like removing amp model support. You will probably run into same kinds of limitations as e.g HX Stomp where you can't fit that many amp blocks (for switching between) in a preset.

 

[mbenigni]

Yeah, the real savings will be the smaller enclosure, half the footswitches, reduced IO, and less about the chips etc.

Yeah, I have to admit, I always assumed these DSP processors represented a much higher percentage of overall cost.

As for the enclosure, a smaller one would be marginally cheaper - especially over large runs - but there is the upfront cost of development and tooling to consider. It all comes down to how many units they expect to move. Ergo a corresponding need to move toward a relatively low price point.

 

[GTR37]

If they did that, I would LOVE to see how “the QC and the plug-in teams are separate” + “So….which team was designing this new unit while we’ve all been waiting on the QC development?” gets answered.

Dude have you not been following ?
Ok the plug-in team has nothing to do with the QC team they do not talk or work together ,they are also not in communication with the new products “ QC mini “ team which is not in communication with the original QC team nor the plug in teams
They work on separate floors and do not eat lunch together

 

[Achilles]

They work on separate floors and do not eat lunch together

 

[Aleksi]

Every other way? I mean, one's a touch screen and one isn't. There's "not perfectly responsive", and then there's "DOA by design".

That's without getting into the content presented on said screen in any given moment, since I know the whole UI/ organization thing is highly subjective.

I apologize profusely for not stating that I very obviously mean picture quality

 

[eggpl@nt]

Yeah, I have to admit, I always assumed these DSP processors represented a much higher percentage of overall cost.

I think it depends on the product. Per Cliff:

The DSP module in the Axe-Fx III costs us more than the entire cost of an FM3.

And to be clear, I know you specifically mentioned the “processor,” but the processor selection has many implications related to board construction and layout, power, cooling, clocking, etc. Even if the processor is “cheap,” the architecture it begets may not be.

 

[Achilles]

Don't believe everything you hear or read.

 

[Aleksi]

You're all a bunch of animals. A man can't even shit on Neural without getting reamed

 

[Aleksi]

My dead grandma's black and white tv has more accurate colours than the QC! WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT

 

[Los-D]

It sure is a pretty enclosure!

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[norminal]

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The fact that they designed such a beautiful enclosure and then threw that pile of shit into the box hurts me inside.

IMO, they should have gone with an integrated power supply and used the additional volume to space out the foot switches a little more.

 

[GTR37]

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Is that from Golden Nuggets
Seriously though a company called Golden profits just sounds like your about to get F-over

 

[GTR37]

I don't know. I expect NDSP would get the biggest bang for the buck with a new hardware SKU whose OS were as similar to the QC's as possible. Preferably, the very same codebase/ deliverable, auto-detecting which platform it's running on and enabling/ disabling features accordingly.

Eliminating the ability to create new captures makes sense, if that's what you mean - if for no other reason, because it allows them to remove some I/O, preamplification, and ADC/DAC hardware, reducing cost and footprint. But I don't see any reason for any of the capital-M Models and effects to be omitted; and the screen and UI should be very similar if not the same. Plug-in compatibility (S O O N) should also be present - it's a potential revenue draw for no additional R&D cost.

That's the way I'd do it... who knows what NSDP will arrive/ has arrived at after crunching numbers on cost vs. "what the market will bear". (Acknowledging that someone present in this very thread already knows exactly what they've done LOL.)

Absolutely this , they have done the R&D , retooling and Redesigning is a giant pain in time and resources , I suspect cutting the chassis size
The biggest thing with cost and space that DI has told us though is the I/O they have to rip a bunch of those jacks out
And since many of them are for capturing my first guess
Is lil QC will load captures but will not create them

 

[Achilles]

that pile of shit

Has anyone ever reported that their PSU was broken? Did not work? Damaged their unit in some way?

Golden Profit are high quality PSUs and are used by a lot of the major brands - they just put their own label on the unit most of the time.
The decision to include that particular power supply is the issue - not the PSU itself.

 

[norminal]

Has anyone ever reported that their PSU was broken? Did not work? Damaged their unit in some way?

Golden Profit are high quality PSUs and are used by a lot of the major brands - they just put their own label on the unit most of the time.
The decision to include that particular power supply is the issue - not the PSU itself.

I was referring to the aesthetics.