Helix 3.8 when?

[Digital Igloo]

Edit: Update:

I think I am ok, and it is just that settings were not restored with the bundle after the update. Expression 3 was changed to Per Preset not the stored value of per snapshot...Gonna check to see what else may not be saved.

YOUCH! Check your settings to what the main volume knob controls! You may be in for a nasty surprise at your next gig....set it back to where you had it previously. Also check your instrument/line level settings, these also were not restored. Also check Preferences Snapshot Edits or you may overwrite some settings you sure as hell didn't mean to! I think that's it...hopefully didn't forget anything


Barf, just discovered all my presets are corrupted with the wrong values yet again after the reload from bundle after the 3.8 update. Hoping an older backup works ok. Again it only seems to corrupt values that are controlled by snapshots

Update....Nope, values all corrupted even from a previous bundle

I love my Helix, but the constant corruption of preset values is pure pain

Did you perform a factory reset before restoring? This kind of stuff can happen if you don't.

Also, make sure you restore with HX Edit 3.81, not 3.80. There's a bug (listed in 3.80's Known Issues), where certain Global Settings may not be restored correctly.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Did you perform a factory reset before restoring? This kind of stuff can happen if you don't.

I did this. I am exceptionally paranoid about HX Edit stuff, and follow the release notes pretty religiously

Also, make sure you restore with HX Edit 3.81, not 3.80. There's a bug (listed in 3.80's Known Issues), where certain Global Settings may not be restored correctly.

I definitely did the HX edit update first. When I get to the school, I'll make sure it took. I also lost all my impulses on the bundle reload after the factory reset after the update, but for all I know though I most definitely did the HX Edit update, somehow it could be 3.80 still. I'll know in 45 minutes

 

[pipelineaudio]

There's a chance that I did the backup (not the restore) on HX Edit 3.8...could that have done it? I'm looking thru logs now

 

[Digital Igloo]

There's a chance that I did the backup (not the restore) on HX Edit 3.8...could that have done it? I'm looking thru logs now

If you backed up with 3.70 and restored with 3.80, that may result in horked Global Settings. If you backed up with 3.70 and restored with 3.81, that should work.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Uh oh, my HX Edit is 3.80...I can't find a 3.81 at Line 6 downloads. I'm signed in but clicking "check for updates" in HX Edit does nothing

 

[SillyOctpuss]

Uh oh, my HX Edit is 3.80...I can't find a 3.81 at Line 6 downloads. I'm signed in but clicking "check for updates" in HX Edit does nothing

It's definitely there for Macos

 

[pipelineaudio]

Weird....Google Gemini talks about it too.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I don't rule out that we can feel and hear things differently. But I always suggest these adjustments:
Ripple=0
Hum=0
Master= about 3 or 4 (but it depends on the amp and on the drive level: less gain -> higher master level, even 10 with almost clean sounds and more vintage circuits)
Bias=about 8
Bias X=about 1
Sag=this is difficult and depends on personal preference; I often tend to adjust it about 3 (or a little higher with "clean-ish" tones)

Is this more a “well known by the experienced” or more personal taste?

 

[EOengineer]

Is this more a “well known by the experienced” or more personal taste?

Personal taste. I imagine 90%+ of us never touch those settings.

 

[Lele]

Is this more a “well known by the experienced” or more personal taste?

Well, I explained here the reasons of these settings that I prefer and use as personal "default" values:

Helix 3.8 when?

Did you look at the right amp? The Super Reverb has a Bright. You are right, my mistake. I did play through it, the Vibrato model that is, and later switched to what I now see is the Twin Vibrato model. Hence, the absence of the bright switch. Thank you for pointing that out, man! I need to...

thegearforum.com

 

[Sascha Franck]

I'm defenitely in the Hum/Ripple＝0 camp as well. I usually turn Sag and Master down quite a bit, too (at least on Master Volume amps, but it's worth trying with, say, some Fender stuff as well, even if the originals don't have MVs). I hardly ever touch Bias, though. Maybe I should, at least one day.

 

[Mooselake]

I updated today. For the first time I got everything right the first time including getting the new Factory 1 in place, no re-dos required. HX 2.50 was my second update, meaning it took me many tries to get it right.

Generally I'm not a aficionado of the high end high gain amps, butI bonded with the German xtra Blue, set up very close to the factory preset for it. I thought the EV Panama red sounded really cool, but I never learned the trick of making something like that sound musical aside for letting a power chord ring.

I saw some mention of HX Edit 3.81 upthread. I let HX Edit update itself (just about 2 hours ago) and updated to 3.80. It's now saying no update available. Is 3.81 a Mac-only fix (I'm on a Windows 10 box for this)?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Is 3.81 a Mac-only fix

I think so. The only issue mentioned was related to Silicon-Macs.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I saw some mention of HX Edit 3.81 upthread. I let HX Edit update itself (just about 2 hours ago) and updated to 3.80. It's now saying no update available. Is 3.81 a Mac-only fix (I'm on a Windows 10 box for this)?

Yes. Silicon-based Macs only. If you're on Intel-based Mac or Windows, no 3.81 necessary.

 

[sashimi]

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[kartikg3]

I hardly ever touch Bias, though. Maybe I should, at least one day.

Bias is something I definitely touch, especially when I have dialed in an amp and everything sounds perfect but it just needs some extra hair/fizz/distortion-y quality (that tampering the gain or master would throw off balance), I used Bias

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Well, I explained here the reasons of these settings that I prefer and use as personal "default" values:

Helix 3.8 when?

Did you look at the right amp? The Super Reverb has a Bright. You are right, my mistake. I did play through it, the Vibrato model that is, and later switched to what I now see is the Twin Vibrato model. Hence, the absence of the bright switch. Thank you for pointing that out, man! I need to...

thegearforum.com

Yeah I read it. Even screenshot it and using it. But was wondering if this is something everybody in engineering land knows of personal taste of you… or a combo

 

[sashimi]

The bogner blue sounds so good it has this low end weight to it, fat and thick but clear and bright at the same time. It has this nice springy, bouncy response. I think this may be the best ‘feeling’ model in helix yet. And I love using a couple of the switches (can’t remember which) as stomp shots to boost it into dirty territory. Then a timmy in front when I want to take it a little further. My other presets are now sounding a bit thin in comparison, even the gsg which was my go-to for a fat clean platform. I think I am going to be stuck on the bogner for a while.

 

[Lele]

Yeah I read it. Even screenshot it and using it. But was wondering if this is something everybody in engineering land knows of personal taste of you… or a combo

I don't quite understand what you're looking for. Maybe you would like an answer from "science" that says one choice is better than the other?
It is just more a question of preferences, otherwise we wouldn't have hundreds of amplifiers, and overdrive pedals too, whose difference is often found in the different harmonics (more of the odd type or balanced with even ones), in having more or less crossover distortion, in negative feedback level, sag level, bright caps, frequency cuts, etc. And any characteristics depending on these features can be better or worse for your taste and/or can fit better some music mix or style or guitar rig. To each his own.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I don't quite understand what you're looking for. Maybe you would like an answer from "science" that says one choice is better than the other?
It is just more a question of preferences, otherwise we wouldn't have hundreds of amplifiers, and overdrive pedals too, whose difference is often found in the different harmonics (more of the odd type or balanced with even ones), in having more or less crossover distortion, in negative feedback level, sag level, bright caps, frequency cuts, etc. And any characteristics depending on these features can be better or worse for your taste and/or can fit better some music mix or style or guitar rig. To each his own.

I think what I was looking for is as an analogy: Some mic combinations are pretty well known to work well. I believe with Helix it’s the 57 dynamic and the the 121 ribbon.

So, my question was more in that context. Is your combination of settings a bit like that?