Friedman SS v2
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There’s “boutique” pricing, and then there is ridiculously obnoxious pricing.
To a nice modeler.
To a nice modeler.
James Freeman
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No guitar amp worth that much, we can thank Soldano and Diezel for such idiotic prices.
If people just remind themselves that guitar amps do only one thing and it's not that different from what you already have.
Also, many companies are still under the illusion that 2 years of covid19 buying frenzy was "natural" growth and fully expect the trendline to maintain that slope.
Be a smart consumer, don't fall for hype and insane prices, demand real value, and question your own values.
If people just remind themselves that guitar amps do only one thing and it's not that different from what you already have.
Also, many companies are still under the illusion that 2 years of covid19 buying frenzy was "natural" growth and fully expect the trendline to maintain that slope.
Be a smart consumer, don't fall for hype and insane prices, demand real value, and question your own values.
the-trooper
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$4300?
James Freeman
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Post covid19 opportunism based on pure corporate greed, we need to wait it out.
Expensive man toys is not food and people are not idiots, generally speaking.
the-trooper
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Think again, we're talking about guitarists here.
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I am surprised it’s more expensive than the BE100 Deluxe which was already pretty up there.
Diezel amps are actually $2k less in Europe than they are Stateside. Checkout Thomann USA.
Even the mighty JP-2C is $3349 in the U.S. ,and that’s after two price hikes in the last two years. Was $2749 in 2020, and $2949 in 2021.
Though the SS2 price hike is a pretty consistent with inflation based on Friedmans other pre existing price points.
Hello BE-OD Deluxe pedal.
Diezel amps are actually $2k less in Europe than they are Stateside. Checkout Thomann USA.
Even the mighty JP-2C is $3349 in the U.S. ,and that’s after two price hikes in the last two years. Was $2749 in 2020, and $2949 in 2021.
Though the SS2 price hike is a pretty consistent with inflation based on Friedmans other pre existing price points.
Hello BE-OD Deluxe pedal.
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Hello BE-OD Deluxe pedal.
Dave should do a v2 of that pedal and charge $849 for it.
texhex
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New prices on all this gear are crazy. Keep jacking it up, and manufacturers and retailers are gonna be sitting on a ton of inventory a year or two from now. Damn! So far out of all the amps I own the Mesa Boogies are the best build quality for the price. The Friedman is the worst, but… sounds the best!
ejecta
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I like to watch his interviews and I really wouldn’t say he complains about it 24/7 but yeah he’s vocal about how he doesn’t care for modelers.. and with what he’s comparing them to I totally agree. Yeah seems like double speak but everything someone designs and sells doesn’t have to be their preference. I design stuff for people all the time that wouldn’t be my choice in design but it’s what they want.
I’ve heard him say he doesn’t like amps with a lot of gain but obviously he makes amps that have the amount gain that he wouldn’t personally use. I don’t see any contradiction… seems like a smart business man in tune with the demands of a market.
Personally I don’t like his amps. They aren’t horrible but not my thing. They are bit dull or flat sounding to me but he for sure knows how to be a successful business man with great customer service and a lot of people like his products.
As far as the rest of the thread and the price complaints… the number sales will tell him if he’s too high or not. I have a feeling he won’t be lowering them anytime soon.
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He did an about face a few years back with modeling. If I remember correctly, he had no problem with Fractal using the Friedman name/amp models when it happened and I seem to recall him saying nice things about them at one point. I think when he started working with UAD on his official amp sims is when things changed.
And really, after watching nearly every episode of Tone Talk, I think his gripe is much more in the feel department and the whole "a rock guitar is supposed to be loud and thumping you in the chest" is more of his thing than any kind of tonal issues.
Mark Huzansky lives close by, I keep nagging at him to let me bring my FM9 rig over so he can A/B it to his BE-100, going into the return. That was the only way I got my "tubes only" buddy to admit the tones are all there, it's just the monitoring/speaker system that takes the 'fun' part of playing away.
Hahahah my buddy when I plugged into the return of his JJ head...."Ok, yeah, it sounds great but there's no f*cking way am I pushing buttons to get my tone!"
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I'm not sure who he licenses his designs to really is a telling factor in what he prefers or any type of "contradiction". Again he's a business man who has personal preferences that some agree with and some not.
When it comes to modelers and plugging them into the return of an amp... at that point I'll just play a real amp and even then to me the amp sounds, feels and takes pedals better. YMMV.
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I just know there was a point in time he had nothing bad to say about modeling and then he did a 180. Whatever was going on behind the scenes, I dunno, but he has no problem speaking highly of his UAD plug-ins.
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That's not what I recall and I've watched his interviews from the very beginning when Mark left that Canadian dude's show and started the one with Dave. He's always stated he much prefers amps over modelers. That said he has said in some cases modelers could be a better tool for the job so why not try and reach that market too?
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Sounded the best when he turned the gain down IMHO.
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Ok.
TSJMajesty
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Maybe you can help Marc re-record that 4-track Intro he is determined to use as the show's opener.
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