Fractal Talk

[Boudoir Guitar]

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It really depends on what kind of “metal” you mean.

I know, for example, Slip of the Tongue had 1959 Plexi all over it and Vai’s tour rig had 4 1959s in it. That was 1989

Ooooooooo, now those are some aggressive guitar tones

 

[metropolis_4]

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Ooooooooo, now those are some aggressive guitar tones

I’m just saying I don’t see anything that says to me the models in Fractal aren’t authentic.

He said if a Plexi could do late ‘80s tones it wasn’t a realistic model.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I’m just saying I don’t see anything that says to me the models in Fractal aren’t authentic.

He said if a Plexi could do late ‘80s tones it wasn’t a realistic model.

(was not a knock on your info at all; just me stuck in a feedback loop of "wait, was the guitar tone on Trixter's album somehow more 'aggressive' than early AC/DC just because it had more gain?!?!?")

 

[GTR37]

Yep, those were all Jose modded.

That said-



Pretty sure the majority of this album is boosted Plexi’s.

It could be , they had huge racks though
Wilton had and ADA, CAE3+
Fish , X88r into a boogie coliseum but that might have been Empire

Kind of of topic but man they had a killer bass sound I always remember that song the Thin line it’s just a great sound , I hear it in the clip you posted too maybe just his technique but it stands out

 

[GTR37]

(was not a knock on your info at all; just me stuck in a feedback loop of "wait, was the guitar tone on Trixter's album somehow more 'aggressive' than early AC/DC just because it had more gain?!?!?")

Trixter?? That’s a random choice

 

[JiveTurkey]

Trixter?? That’s a random choice

They're no Firehouse

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Trixter?? That’s a random choice

Not at all random. Firehouse was also a good shout. CC Deville could have been another. There are some hair metal guitar tones that were aggressive sounding, but most of them just seem like smooth sustain to me, where, to the extent there was any aggression, it came from vocals (see Whitesnake) and the constant "I'm shoving my dick in your face" stage moves.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

They're no Firehouse

If we are having a tepid-off, I think Trixter wins? But its a close race, for sure.

 

[JiveTurkey]

If we are having a tepid-off, I think Trixter wins? But its a close race, for sure.

I "like" 2 Firehouse songs the .5 Trixter song I "like". Fair estimation.

 

[deadpool_25]

The Gift of Tone returns!

Weird. Maybe it was a premature epostulation?

Spoiler: Spoiler

It was periphery tones.

 

[Shredder777]

I’m just saying I don’t see anything that says to me the models in Fractal aren’t authentic.

He said if a Plexi could do late ‘80s tones it wasn’t a realistic model.

Plexi with Tubescreamer was 79/80. JCM800 released in 1981. Mesa 2c was 1983. By late 80s everything was modded or rack preamps. SLO100 was 1987. Then 1992 was 5150.

Can you get Metallica with a Plexi? I think only within the confines of a Fractal box. I mean you would expect the 800 to do it better, even sticking a Metal Zone in front. So why would anyone attempt it with a plexi model if there is an 800? Or a 2C?

I was responding to a claim of "high gain aggressive tone". And I took that to mean metallica level of gain. Because whitesnake was rock.

This is the thing with modeling, and I'm not singling out Fractal, but most models can be hammered into something that gets the same result as the other models. But in the real world this isn't possible. They are unrealistic because they don't impose the same limits as the original gear.

 

[Mongillo19]

Can you get Metallica with a Plexi?

@metropolis_4 plays Metallica on the fenders

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Plexi with Tubescreamer was 79/80. JCM800 released in 1981. Mesa 2c was 1983. By late 80s everything was modded or rack preamps. SLO100 was 1987. Then 1992 was 5150.

Can you get Metallica with a Plexi? I think only within the confines of a Fractal box. I mean you would expect the 800 to do it better, even sticking a Metal Zone in front. So why would anyone attempt it with a plexi model if there is an 800? Or a 2C?

I was responding to a claim of "high gain aggressive tone". And I took that to mean metallica level of gain. Because whitesnake was rock.

This is the thing with modeling, and I'm not singling out Fractal, but most models can be hammered into something that gets the same result as the other models. But in the real world this isn't possible. They are unrealistic because they don't impose the same limits as the original gear.

You're just making up your own argument. No-one said "high gain aggressive tone". The initial post you quoted simply said that a boosted plexi could be aggressive. Then you sent us down this historical rabbit hole of nonsense.

You're also viewing "aggressive" through a super narrow window. I find a lot of cleaner crunch tones to be WAY more aggressive sounding than super saturated ones. I find plenty of rock music WAY more aggressive than plenty of metal music. There are plenty of clean(ish) country tones that I find WAY aggressive.

 

[Blix]

Plexi with Tubescreamer was 79/80. JCM800 released in 1981. Mesa 2c was 1983. By late 80s everything was modded or rack preamps. SLO100 was 1987. Then 1992 was 5150.

Can you get Metallica with a Plexi? I think only within the confines of a Fractal box. I mean you would expect the 800 to do it better, even sticking a Metal Zone in front. So why would anyone attempt it with a plexi model if there is an 800? Or a 2C?

I was responding to a claim of "high gain aggressive tone". And I took that to mean metallica level of gain. Because whitesnake was rock.

This is the thing with modeling, and I'm not singling out Fractal, but most models can be hammered into something that gets the same result as the other models. But in the real world this isn't possible. They are unrealistic because they don't impose the same limits as the original gear.

To be pedantic, the JCM800 is not an amp model, it's a series name, the amp model that many seem to call the "JCM800" is the 2203/04 that Marshall has sold since like 1976.. :) The JCM800 version is 99% the same amp.. :)

 

[Shredder777]

You're just making up your own argument. No-one said "high gain aggressive tone". The initial post you quoted simply said that a boosted plexi could be aggressive. Then you sent us down this historical rabbit hole of nonsense.

You're also viewing "aggressive" through a super narrow window. I find a lot of cleaner crunch tones to be WAY more aggressive sounding than super saturated ones. I find plenty of rock music WAY more aggressive than plenty of metal music. There are plenty of clean(ish) country tones that I find WAY aggressive.

OK, this whole argument hinges on the definition of "aggressive" tone. So it can't go anywhere if we disagree on what was meant.

But I think my "unrealistic" argument stands. I bet, if any of you with a Fractal was tasked with getting metallica sounds using the Fractal 1959 plexi, with whatever boosts, amp sims, EQs, IRs are available, you would have no problem getting a sound that was indistinguishable from Metallica 2cp patches.

But I think with real world gear it wouldn't be possible. It would break down somewhere in the chain and be subpar.

 

[Mongillo19]

But I think my "unrealistic" argument stands. I bet, if any of you with a Fractal was tasked with getting metallica sounds using the Fractal 1959 plexi, with whatever boosts, amp sims, EQs, IRs are available, you would have no problem getting a sound that was indistinguishable from Metallica 2cp patches.

Honestly idk about that. I think it would take a good amount of tinkering and "modding". Even then, I don't think it would sound the same as a 2cp patch.

Anyway, how about that new firmware update

I might see what happens out of curiosity though

 

[Shredder777]

Honestly idk about that. I think it would take a good amount of tinkering and "modding". Even then, I don't think it would sound the same as a 2cp patch.

Anyway, how about that new firmware update

I have no dog in this fight. As soon as they develop a new touch UI I will be on the multi-year waiting list.

 

[Mongillo19]

I have no dog in this fight. As soon as they develop a new touch UI I will be on the multi-year waiting list.

I still think you should give the FM3 a whirl. If you don't like it, just return it

 

[metropolis_4]

Plexi with Tubescreamer was 79/80. JCM800 released in 1981. Mesa 2c was 1983. By late 80s everything was modded or rack preamps. SLO100 was 1987. Then 1992 was 5150.

Can you get Metallica with a Plexi? I think only within the confines of a Fractal box. I mean you would expect the 800 to do it better, even sticking a Metal Zone in front. So why would anyone attempt it with a plexi model if there is an 800? Or a 2C?

I was responding to a claim of "high gain aggressive tone". And I took that to mean metallica level of gain. Because whitesnake was rock.

This is the thing with modeling, and I'm not singling out Fractal, but most models can be hammered into something that gets the same result as the other models. But in the real world this isn't possible. They are unrealistic because they don't impose the same limits as the original gear.

What exactly is it that you experience in the Plexi models in Fractal that seems unrealistic to you?


You don’t want to talk to me about what you can and can’t cover Metallica on. I’ve performed Metallica covers live with a Telecaster and an AC30

 

[Shredder777]

I still think you should give the FM3 a whirl. If you don't like it, just return it

Yes, it is top candidate to replace my current mfx, but I'm doing the IR-X thing now. If/when I get bored with that I will get an FM3. Or maybe the next Helix, or...