Fractal Talk

[OrganicZed]

The only thing I don’t appreciate is that compression when I switch to the humbucker, but that’s maybe because the fm3 does not have that secret sauce input.

I'm pretty sure that you'd experience less dynamic range playing a humbucker into a real amp as well.

 

[FracKing]

The only thing I don’t appreciate is that compression when I switch to the humbucker, but that’s maybe because the fm3 does not have that secret sauce input.

I think it does on Input 1. FM3 does lack the variable impedance selector.

From reading over many years I'd say learning about the amp block parameters is probably a gold mine (a good deal of that is in the wiki).

Besides that, the Axe may be putting it out, but we need $10,000 monitors to hear all of it...

New testing top banner and new firmware.

I never would have dreamed of buying a KPA but while waiting for new firmware and staring at the Testing top banner every day I got extremely bored and ordered a Kemper to go with my two AXE FXII's. I know its blasphemous and I haven't received it yet but It will hopefully be fun to try. My band...

forum.fractalaudio.com

 

[Joshual-L]

I'm pretty sure that you'd experience less dynamic range playing a humbucker into a real amp as well.

Yes of course.
But with a real amp of you got the compression and also the « punch in the face » effect. Especially with a plexi like amp and that moderate level of gain. And the pickup is a really modest output pickup (paf36).
Never been able to reproduce that on my fm3.
Maybe it’s also because I’m trying to get an « amp reaction » while à modeler can only gives you a « mic’d cab » reaction.

 

[Stone]

And that behavior/characteristic related to Marshalls is what blew my mind when
I first played/tried a Fractal. I could not get that exact same behavior out of an Helix
or a Kemper. The feel and responsiveness was just next level for me. It made playing
the Fractal just as fun as playing actual amps.

Yup. I said it.

And...... it still blows me away!

Dave are you saying that Marshall is Marshall?
@duzie would def agree

 

[duzie]

Dave are you saying that Marshall is Marshall?
@duzie would def agree

Absolutely Mike

 

[DrewJD82]

I sat down tonight to make a Gilmour preset on the FM9 (coming out an EVH 2x12), used the Quick Build to place all the blocks then went about dialing in the delays without giving a second thought about the amp block (it loaded the FAS Hot Rod). 45 minutes of noodling after I got the delays where I wanted them I realized I hadn’t touched anything else in the preset yet, it was just the delays and amp block, with the amp at the stock settings.

 

[OrganicZed]

I sat down tonight to make a Gilmour preset on the FM9 (coming out an EVH 2x12), used the Quick Build to place all the blocks then went about dialing in the delays without giving a second thought about the amp block (it loaded the FAS Hot Rod). 45 minutes of noodling after I got the delays where I wanted them I realized I hadn’t touched anything else in the preset yet, it was just the delays and amp block, with the amp at the stock settings.

I see a pretty constant trickle of people who ask for advice on how to stop tweaking settings or who say that they sold the Fractal because they spent too much time tweaking settings.

The problem is not the device, the problem is the user. If you can’t get inspired by one of the first 50 factory presets then you’ve either got a crappy monitoring setup or very eclectic taste.

 

[Stone]

Absolutely Mike

You Marshall Elitists you guys

 

[Stone]

I see a pretty constant trickle of people who ask for advice on how to stop tweaking settings or who say that they sold the Fractal because they spent too much time tweaking settings.

The problem is not the device, the problem is the user. If you can’t get inspired by one of the first 50 factory presets then you’ve either got a crappy monitoring setup or very eclectic taste.

Well I disagree Tweaking is part of getting your Tone, ask any studio sound engineer or producer how much time they spend tweaking
I recall EVH and Don Landee spending days and till the wee hours of the night to get that Iconic Fair warning tone
But yeah tweaking is not for everyone i suppose depends what you need and what you like

 

[James Freeman]

it was just the delays and amp block

Some hippie kid from Engerland called David figured it out a long time ago and made a lot of beautiful music.
I love Delay.

 

[duzie]

I sat down tonight to make a Gilmour preset on the FM9 (coming out an EVH 2x12), used the Quick Build to place all the blocks then went about dialing in the delays without giving a second thought about the amp block (it loaded the FAS Hot Rod). 45 minutes of noodling after I got the delays where I wanted them I realized I hadn’t touched anything else in the preset yet, it was just the delays and amp block, with the amp at the stock settings.

Sounds great
I suspect the person operating the instrument is as important , if not more important than the gear

 

[jellodog]

I sat down tonight to make a Gilmour preset on the FM9 (coming out an EVH 2x12),

You too? I love that 2x12 EVH DynaCab more than the 4x12!

 

[Mongillo19]

You too? I love that 2x12 EVH DynaCab more than the 4x12!

I'm not sure if he means a real 2x12 or the dynacabs

 

[DrewJD82]

You too? I love that 2x12 EVH DynaCab more than the 4x12!

While I do use the EVH Dyna often, this was an actual EVH cab (via Duncan 170)

 

[Orvillain]

The problem is not the device, the problem is the user.

I don't entirely agree with this. I fully understand the point, but if that same person can plug into 12 different amps and get satisfactory-to-amazeballs tones, then there is something to the idea that the gear is at least partially responsible for the difference in experience.

Yes. There are plenty of idiots around who crank the gain to 10 and scoop the mids to 0 and then wonder why their Axe3, or Helix, or QC, or any other device, sounds shit.

But there are some realities of digital modelling that are specific to digital modelling, and sometimes those realities are at least partially responsible for why a device doesn't sound good.

I remember when the Kemper launched, there were quite a few people complaining about higher notes not sounding as good as their amps. Turned out to be aliasing if I remember correctly.

Now the reason someone might end up tweaking to death in such a situation as that, is because they're trying to tame frequencies that simply cannot be tamed - because they're inherent to the resampling system within the unit.

There's lots of reasons and scenarios where someone would be tweaking a ton, and they're not all related to user deficiency. That's basically my point.

 

[jellodog]

While I do use the EVH Dyna often, this was an actual EVH cab (via Duncan 170)

Ahhhhh

 

[OrganicZed]

@Orvillain thats fair. If you are one of the golden ears individuals (not meant as an insult) then you may have legitimate reason to tweak and still not be satisfied.

The thing is, the same people who say that FAS gear is too complicated and they spent too much time tweaking usually go on to say that they bought a Kemper or a Fender TMP and are now happy.

 

[Stone]

 

[Orvillain]

@Orvillain thats fair. If you are one of the golden ears individuals (not meant as an insult)

 

[Stone]

Here's One, does anyone know of any modeler that you can just plug in find a preset that will go from Floyd's Sorrow to Van Halen Hear about it later to Black Sabbath Voodoo tones and get those tones spot on without any tweaking ?
if there is such a device id like to Know, I had the Helix which no you could not do it with any presets and yes the Helix required a lot more tweaking and fine tuning, the Fractal on the other hand requires a lot less tweaking and fine tuning but it does have powerful parameters to get it spot on or near spot on
Sure not everyone needs to go from Floyd, to EVH to Sabbath as an example, but if thats your thing then there is no better platform than the Fractal to achieve this
and yes thats just my 2 cents based on what i want to achieve