deathbyguitar
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I noticed that the Cygnus X3 thread at TOP was deleted. Such brazen bias on display. Lol.
Fractal Talk
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JiveTurkey
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Yeah... A few usual trolls being trolls and preventing normal discourse on an interesting subject related to Fractal -> instead of "Infractions™" or thread bans, they just delete the whole thing
Mongillo19
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WE GET IT OKAY! IF ONLY CLIFF WAS AS DEDICATED AS YOU FANBOYS AREWhy would anyone want to talk about Fractal on a modeling sub anyway?
have a good one
m19
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
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Because we're in the golden age of large companies rehashing the same tech over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...Why would anyone want to talk about Fractal on a modeling sub anyway?
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I think that commercial considerations at TOP are a factor that they aren't here.
Also, the idea that if conflict erupts, instead of deleting the thread the parties here are ushered to a private room to duke it out is a brilliant solution to the bickering problem.
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Elric
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QFT. I knew/suspected this forever but putting my amps on a switcher proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Anything less than a second or two apart is unreliable.
Frodebro
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Why would anyone want to talk about Fractal on a modeling sub anyway?
Can’t be upsetting the TMP owners, that’s why.
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Achilles
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It's not the case with double blind audio testing. Years back JBL/Harman had the freaking coolest listening setup I've ever seen. You have to keep in mind this was back when floor standing tower speakers were popular with big spenders.
Large room divided with an acoustically transparent white linen drape.
One half was the listening area with a couch and a couple recliners. The other was the lab.
You ever see the small tracks they use sometimes for making precision camera shots in movies? They had something like that and would mount the loudspeakers being testing onto little platforms with wheels to move along the track. It was all pretty precision with locking stop points corresponding with the LEFT and RIGHT listening positions of the speakers.
When it came down to final decisions the big wigs would come down with the curtain drawn so they had no clue which was which. The head acoustic guy who worked the A/B switcher was also blind. Only the techs behind the curtain knew.
The actual listening sections were longer pieces of music rather than the usual lick us guitarists would use, but the time gap for speaker switching never played into it, or at least it was never mentioned the few times I was present. I'd guess it was at least 5 seconds to switch speaker pairs.
Really old school shit looking back on it but JBL/Harman was like that back then. They'd even built a full blown half space speaker measurement platform up on their roof for the designers to use during development.
Half Space:
Loudspeaker measurement - Wikipedia
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Cliff and Fractal do NOT pay to advertise there. It's as simple and straightforward as that.
If they did like other Brands/Retailers then the story would be different.
Elric
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Neat. Sounds like a wildly different context to me, though.It's not the case with double blind audio testing. Years back JBL/Harman had the freaking coolest listening setup I've ever seen. You have to keep in mind this was back when floor standing tower speakers were popular with big spenders.
Large room divided with an acoustically transparent white linen drape.
One half was the listening area with a couch and a couple recliners. The other was the lab.
You ever see the small tracks they use sometimes for making precision camera shots in movies? They had something like that and would mount the loudspeakers being testing onto little platforms with wheels to move along the track. It was all pretty precision with locking stop points corresponding with the LEFT and RIGHT listening positions of the speakers.
When it came down to final decisions the big wigs would come down with the curtain drawn so they had no clue which was which. The head acoustic guy who worked the A/B switcher was also blind. Only the techs behind the curtain knew.
The actual listening sections were longer pieces of music rather than the usual lick us guitarists would use, but the time gap for speaker switching never played into it, or at least it was never mentioned the few times I was present. I'd guess it was at least 5 seconds to switch speaker pairs.
Really old school shit looking back on it but JBL/Harman was like that back then. They'd even built a full blown half space speaker measurement platform up on their roof for the designers to use during development.
Half Space:
Loudspeaker measurement - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Regardless, unless I personally can A/B stuff directly, with a very short gap, a lot of nuance that I think differs between two amps just isn't always there in the really fine details in a shorter switching gap. I can qualitatively take away things like 'this one was brighter' if they differ grossly for sure. Some differences will stand out more in a direct A/B too that I would miss if they are not dialed similarly, etc. But two genuinely similar amps dialed in to sound similar and then compare? Very often it is hard to pick out which is which without looking.
You can easily do the 'wrong about which one you are adjusting but still somehow manage to hear differences' thing with that kind of setup too.
SKU
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Does the AxeFX have auto tune?
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
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three_eyed_otter
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FAS has the best modeling in existence…Does anybody know when the FM3 will get gapless switching?
Have a good one,
3EO
Mongillo19
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I think it was in the thread that was deleted that I'm pretty sure you were a part of.
Anyway, even if not and you are being sincere. Cliff stated he hopes to get an update out this week. Now will that include gapless switching, not sure. Could be as early as Friday for your answer.
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