namathan_zirwir
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Strymon will be fine. So will Eventide. I highly doubt the VP4 does much of anything towards the user base of these two.
Fractal Audio Systems VP4 - Virtual Pedalboard
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That post had nothing to do with the VP4 affecting Strymon or Eventide.
If you have to ask you can't afford it
Honestly I think a lot of people are missing a point here.
Fractal could have charged exactly the same price for a simple plex/reverb/delay fx unit…
I know that nowadays the internet wants everything for 10$ but come on guys…
Where do you find those stellar effects for that price ?? Be honest please.
Sure the vp4 could have had more outs, more this, more that but then the usual interneters would say « way too pricy fractal sucks » while being capable of buying a 400$ reverb, or their 10th 279$ Klone boutique clone.
The point of this product (to me) is just bringing the first class and still not beaten quality of fractal effects into the amp world, not making an axefx Pedalboard.
If you want more you have to realize that you just have to buy an fm9, your perfect product for your needs already exists
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Desertdweller
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Seriously! Some people just do not have the capacity to understand. I've been playing guitar for over 30 years now, and the thought of having Eventide, TC, Lexicon - quality effects, a $15k+ rack system, condensed to a 10x6 stamp on a pedalboard for $700 is mind-blowing.
The VP4 has $10k+ in drives alone under the hood, plus effects that don't just rival but beat TC's delays, Eventide's micropitch, Lexicon's reverbs, etc.
I don't know, maybe I just have the perspective of an older player, but modern technology, especially from brands like Fractal in models like the VP4, is just incredible. I'm in awe of everything we have to work with as modern players.
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Love Larry and yeah, there's some lovely tones in that video.
But WTF? He was using a Simplifier X? It never sounded that nice for me! One of the few products that I had to send back immediately. And I tried those knobs in every possible combination that I could think off. Starting to wonder if mine was a defective dud.
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Im shocked!!! Came to the forum and my spamming thread has been closed, find you all here and there 11 (mobile) pages.
Wtf
Joking aside. VP4 looks great, awesome stuff, will watch some videos. I’m happy and excited for those of you who will get it!
Also que Cordy for “we need to talk about….”
And Steve “that’s why I quit using Stomp XL”
Giv’em a few weeks, it will happen
Wtf
Joking aside. VP4 looks great, awesome stuff, will watch some videos. I’m happy and excited for those of you who will get it!
Also que Cordy for “we need to talk about….”
And Steve “that’s why I quit using Stomp XL”
Giv’em a few weeks, it will happen
I think this one is good for a lot of folks. The price is good also... but.. in 2024 (soon 2025) why not a touchscreen??
Button press, enter enter, page, hmmm.
I hope Fractal drops the button stuff on the next gen floor devices. Then I will take a look
A tiny touch screen on the floor? Wouldn't work for me.
laxu
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I don't think a touchscreen would make a whole lot of difference with the current design of the VP4. You could tap on a block to select it and swipe between pages. Unlike a more complex modeler, there's not a whole lot of selecting stuff involved in this.I think this one is good for a lot of folks. The price is good also... but.. in 2024 (soon 2025) why not a touchscreen??
Button press, enter enter, page, hmmm.
I hope Fractal drops the button stuff on the next gen floor devices. Then I will take a look
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Open your eyes. Take a deep breath. Have a look at all of the music gear out there in the world without touchscreens. Notice the people using all of it without any issues. Feel the sun on your face. It is a glorious feeling!! Try it!
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2 rows to edit, you need to `page` down just like the Axe Fx II back in the day. I just don`t like a lot of buttons
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Sascha Franck
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Selecting an effect block should cause any 4 relevant parameters on top or below to instantly show up, mapped to the encoders. Would save *truckloads* of clicks. There's enough space for this to exist as well (could be an additional display mode and I'd take any bet people would keep it on all the time).
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laxu
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IMO it's much less of an issue on the VP4 when it has a much more simplified set of controls instead of the plethora of different pages each with their own layout you find on the big boy Fractals.
You would not adjust those virtual parameter knobs with your fingers so mostly you just swap "turn scroll knob" for "tap second row".
It's also worth remembering that this is a derivative product from the current lineup, rather than a next gen device built from the ground up. Under the hood I expect it shares a lot of Axe-Fx 3 code.
This is most likely also the "between generations" product that will bring a lot of sales for Fractal while they work on their next gen modeler lineup.
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I guess that people´s opinions are in the same logic as the ones regarding buying a 65000€ car that "does the same" as one of 30000€.
Not a new story. It also happens with Eventide, Lexicon, UAFX and whatnot.
In one side is the fact that not everyone can afford certain costs, so can only think about buying the best product they can afford that acomplishes their needs.
In other side, there are people that, even being able to spend that money, don´t think it´s worth it because the difference in quality does not match the difference in price. Or at least, they can´t notice that quality difference. Or they don´t care about it.
And then, there are the people that clearly notice the quality difference and need to have the best quality, no matter the price. And of course, the snobs... which are always present.
My personal situation is that I can´t happily spend that much money for a non-complete solution. I can. But not happily. I have to think it twice, prior to pull the trigger. Besides... I´m perfectly happy with Boss-style effects quiality level (so to speak), so I feel much more useful a Boss MS-3 (much more complete unit and much more options in any regard than the VP4), for much less money.
I´m no t saying the VP4 is not worth its price. Not saying it´s overpriced. Just saying that, just the same as I´ll never buy an Eventide, I´ll never buy an VP4. For me, it´s not worth it at all. Let me insist: this is in my personal situation (economical, musical, logical).
Not a new story. It also happens with Eventide, Lexicon, UAFX and whatnot.
In one side is the fact that not everyone can afford certain costs, so can only think about buying the best product they can afford that acomplishes their needs.
In other side, there are people that, even being able to spend that money, don´t think it´s worth it because the difference in quality does not match the difference in price. Or at least, they can´t notice that quality difference. Or they don´t care about it.
And then, there are the people that clearly notice the quality difference and need to have the best quality, no matter the price. And of course, the snobs... which are always present.
My personal situation is that I can´t happily spend that much money for a non-complete solution. I can. But not happily. I have to think it twice, prior to pull the trigger. Besides... I´m perfectly happy with Boss-style effects quiality level (so to speak), so I feel much more useful a Boss MS-3 (much more complete unit and much more options in any regard than the VP4), for much less money.
I´m no t saying the VP4 is not worth its price. Not saying it´s overpriced. Just saying that, just the same as I´ll never buy an Eventide, I´ll never buy an VP4. For me, it´s not worth it at all. Let me insist: this is in my personal situation (economical, musical, logical).
