DLC86
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Afaik there's no press knob in the vp4. No mention in the manual and in Cordy's video you can see him trying to push a knob several times with no success
Fractal Audio Systems VP4 - Virtual Pedalboard
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The reason for my question here is that it would SO handy if one could press an ABCD knob (at any screen / mode) to quickly jump to that effects' Edit screen.
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Really? I thought they would be the same as the FM3 etc in this regard. That sucks.
Might actually even be a dealbreaker for me because that means very quickly moving between fx blocks is not easily doable even as an update. Lots of scroll-Enter-Exit-scroll-Enter...which is basically the same as Axe-Fx grid used to be before the "go back a block" function was added to double clicking Edit.
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likitlikeyoulikeit
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That's how one trims costs ....I'm fine with it....also, from my experience...that is the first thing that starts fussing up.
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So these 5 Knobs are turn only then ?
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Re: Non-clickable knobs, that's pretty bad for usabilty options, but possibly a nice idea in terms of durability.
No idea how these buggers behave in the FAS universe, but in HX land, they're not exactly military grade (to put it carefully), hence often a victim of at least getting sloppy, not rarely ending up in malfunctions (so they need to be replaced, no DIY operation for the faint hearted).
For me personally, on a 4 block-4-encoders unit they'd just make *sooo* much logical sense I'd happily pay some bucks added to the overall cost rather than not having them.
No idea how these buggers behave in the FAS universe, but in HX land, they're not exactly military grade (to put it carefully), hence often a victim of at least getting sloppy, not rarely ending up in malfunctions (so they need to be replaced, no DIY operation for the faint hearted).
For me personally, on a 4 block-4-encoders unit they'd just make *sooo* much logical sense I'd happily pay some bucks added to the overall cost rather than not having them.
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According to the manual ...I believe so
DLC86
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I'm not sure about that, but given what I observed above and also the fact the screen doesn't show a double label as in the Axe/FMx, I think that's quite likely.
Btw, there doesn't seem to be a way to move/swap blocks either atm on the UI
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Sascha Franck
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So, clickable knobs: Coming with VP4II?
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Used the Helix for years .... FM3 on and off and on for ages .... GT1000 on and off for ages etc.... used the press-rotaries on all of them heaps ... never-ever had any sort of issue with them in any way ... and I'm pretty f*cking heavy handed with this sort of thing.
If this is right (?) it must have been a pretty major impact on the manufacture and therefore final selling price point profit margin (?) as having 4 or 5 extra "buttons" with zero real-estate impact, and correspondingly, even easier menu access's and adjustment's would have been, I think, appreciated by most.
I can only assume they calculated that the overall opportunity-gain of not having them outweighed the overall opportunity-cost of having them.
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No .... there will be a 2 Level Paid Update Program to unlock features already laying dormant in the unit .....
..... sorry it was just to easy :)
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Anyhow, thinking about it, I don't think pressing enter to open a selected block's detailed editing menu is that much of a big deal on a unit limited to 4 blocks. In fact, at least on the HX Stomp, I'd rather have solid encoders (with maybe just the two bigger general encoders being clickable) rather than living in constant fear of them breaking. They don't serve any often used operation anyway.
I think with the VP4 quick permanent (at least in one mode) parameter access would improve usability much, much more than clickable knobs. If you want detailed editing, just press enter or use the page keys for the next set of parameters.
I think with the VP4 quick permanent (at least in one mode) parameter access would improve usability much, much more than clickable knobs. If you want detailed editing, just press enter or use the page keys for the next set of parameters.
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No .... there will be a 2 Level Paid Update Program to unlock features already laying dormant in the unit .....
So you gather that along with these updates there'll come a special wrench to unlock the click-functionality? That'd actually be something...
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Putting possible cost (?) issues aside ..... and without getting esoteric about UI usage and onboard editing, I cant see any realistic way that having 4 or 5 extra push buttons is going to make useability worse ?
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Maybe they could accomplish the same thing with pushing the footswitches when they're in effects mode.
It could replicate what happens in scene mode, when pressing a switch the list of all scenes shows up for a couples seconds.
In effects mode it could be made so that whenever you press a switch the parameters of that effect show up for a couple seconds and, if you start turning the knobs within that timeframe, the screen stays there until you press exit or another footswitch.
It could replicate what happens in scene mode, when pressing a switch the list of all scenes shows up for a couples seconds.
In effects mode it could be made so that whenever you press a switch the parameters of that effect show up for a couple seconds and, if you start turning the knobs within that timeframe, the screen stays there until you press exit or another footswitch.
