Eventide H90 then???

[2112]

They incorporated a lot of long standing H9 fx requests too - univibe, BBD echo, poly pitch, mulri-head tape echo.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

We are waiting impatiently for the new algorithms to hit the H9000. How in the hell a 900 dollar pedal gets new algorithms before the flagship 8k dollar processor is a head scratcher. I adore Eventide and always support and sing their praises, but the H9000 should have had these before anything.

Isn't there like over 1,000 algorithms in H9000? I think I'd rather have that over 62 in H90, but of course I don't have 8k lol.

 

[Bruce]

Isn't there like over 1,000 algorithms in H9000? I think I'd rather have that over 62 in H90, but of course I don't have 8k lol.

Yea no doubt, the H9000 has more than you can ever use, but new stuff should trickle down from the top first. The real power of it is being able to run 16 algos at once. Im not bitching really, if I want an H90 that bad I can get one. I just would like them in the H9000. They said they’re coming, but who doesnt want everything yesterdaY?

 

[BROCKSTAR]

I list H90 as one of my top 3 pedals in 2022!!

 

[Eagle]

I think you're spot on. No one can really put their finger on why. Maybe its the older converters, or the better analog signal patch (in the old gear). It's similar to a good new Strat vs a good 1963 Strat. There's just a cool vibey record quality in the older ones.

Not just me then. The original question is;

Eagle said:
HI Michael,
I wanted to ask someone that I KNOW has classic reverbs and delays and knows how to use them.
Is it just me or is the Eventide H9 /H90 just not as good sounding as the older H4000 racks and the delays and reverbs are just incapable of a half decent rendition of the PCM42 and TC2290 . I think the factor pedals sound better and they are supposed to have the same algorithms. There is also a sheen over the sound in ALL the algorithms that I can't get rid of.
A difficult one I know but am I just programmed to like the old classics that I grew up listening too and then playing through?
Or are we all just accepting a cut in audio quality for connivence the same as everyone seems happy to take with audio equipment.

 

[Eagle]

Yeah, "a good new strat vs. a good vintage strat" is so analogous to what you've been saying.

It reminds me of the old Tyler ad, “you either know or you don’t.”

 

[ejecta]

It reminds me of the old Tyler ad, “you either know or you don’t.”

Seems you lean really hard into the latter.

 

[Eagle]

Seems you lean really hard into the latter.

Have you ever had any of the gear mentioned? I seriously doubt it by the comment and total lack of engagement with the actual issues.

 

[Eagle]

I have, and you're generally full of s**t. I say that in the nicest possible way, of course. You continue to have the habit of stating things that you prefer as fact, which is one of the more annoying things about people on the Internet.

Preference and better are a problem to determine to a point but there is gear that is objectively better sounding. I accept your criticism but cut the insults and shit yourself .

 

[Bruce]

Preference and better are a problem to determine to a point but there is gear that is objectively better sounding. I accept your criticism but cut the insults and s**t yourself .

Is there a comma missing? Do you want him to cut the insults and shit, insinuating a generic quantity of things akin to insults or do you really want him to cut the insults and then physically shit himself? One is markedly worse than the other so I just want to know where you’re coming from to keep score.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

 

[jellodog]

 

[Bruce]

Don’t be stupid. Much of modern gear objectively has better components, yet so many of us enjoy the musicality of the old gear, be it analog or digital. You’re just picking and choosing what’s “good”, and calling it “fact”.

To the point we add all sorts of noise and distortion back into recordings we tried for decades to get rid of. Go figure.

When CDs hit, the pristine sound was the selling point. Same with ADAT tapes. Finally, no more hiss.

 

[dk_ace]

While Eagle is not going to win miss congeniality here, I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss what he’s saying. Michael Nielsen and Dave Friedman say essentially the same things about the modern pedals vs the old rack gear.

Personally, I’d love to get my hands on a fully functional pcm42 and find out for myself. No matter how much or how little better it sounds, I don’t think anyone would argue that a small pedal with the functionality of the h90 is a really convenient tool compared to a rack unit though.

Maybe one day they’ll crack the code of both the convenience of the pedals and the sounds of the old stuff.

D

 

[Orvillain]

It is all about preference.

In the land of beatboxes people chase after that classic old skool MPC sound - it's just 12bit output If I recall correctly. Not even dithered. Just pure bitcrushed. But people mythologize it to such an extent. Kinda funny.

I get it though. I just spent an hour dialing in Helix Native to try and sound closer to my JVMJS via Suhr loadbox. Not for any reason other than to geek out. And you can absolute fall into the pit of tone hunting with it.

Same with comparing modern digital pedals to historic ones. I don't think there's much wrong with a lot of older gear.

I will say, the H90 doesn't sound terrible at all. But I do have other pedals and kit that do these sounds just as well.

 

[paisleywookiee]

It is all about preference.

In the land of beatboxes people chase after that classic old skool MPC sound - it's just 12bit output If I recall correctly. Not even dithered. Just pure bitcrushed. But people mythologize it to such an extent. Kinda funny.

I get it though. I just spent an hour dialing in Helix Native to try and sound closer to my JVMJS via Suhr loadbox. Not for any reason other than to geek out. And you can absolute fall into the pit of tone hunting with it.

Same with comparing modern digital pedals to historic ones. I don't think there's much wrong with a lot of older gear.

I will say, the H90 doesn't sound terrible at all. But I do have other pedals and kit that do these sounds just as well.

 

[ejecta]

Have you ever had any of the gear mentioned? I seriously doubt it by the comment and total lack of engagement with the actual issues.

I’ve been asked that before on here and the answer is yes. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean I’m inexperienced with the gear.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I’ve been asked that before on here and the answer is yes. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean I’m inexperienced with the gear.

Are you experienced?

(Damn, there’s no Jimi GIF)

 

[TubeStack]

Are you experienced?

(Damn, there’s no Jimi GIF)

 

[Bruce]

Fuck old rack gear. Even if it does sound better, it’s not stopping anyone from making a hit record or touring the world if you can’t get 30 of them to scavenge parts to have 2 in a rack. You’ll do just fine with the H90. I promise.