Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

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I've spent the last couple days hooking up all my gear through my 1x12 cab. Comparing modelers, comparing amps, trying to figure out what I like and don't like.

I know I don't like the Orange Rocker 15 amp. At its best, it's a decent cleanish tone. But it generally sounds very fuzzy and dark with any kind of gain, and lacks a nice low end. I've tried running all my modelers and all kinds of analog drive pedals into it and always the same thing.

The Blackstar Amped 1 is surprisingly better sounding as a standalone clean amp. It has much better volume control, more extended low end and cleaner high end response, and takes pedals (virtual and analog) better. However, running modelers into it feels a little more hit or miss. Running everything flat it sounds kind of dull and lifeless. Better when you run a tube response curve, although that feels odd given the modeling which should already be happening.

Been really thinking about trying a different amp, and there's some used ones nearby that are intriguing. One is the Fender Tone Master Deluxe, specifically the Creamback version. I feel like that would be the ultimate clean amp that you could add a few pedals too and just have a fun time compared to the big modeler into studio monitors thing.

The other is the Orange Super Crush, the 100 watt all analog amp. That's interesting for a couple reasons...it has more EQ controls and more power on tap than the Rocker 15 so would likely not have the same lack of lows/highs. The power section is also the same as a Pedal Baby, so would be an all analog class AB clean amp for a modeler.

I dunno...I keep trying to simplify and then keep finding ways to make that complicated.
 
Jarick said:
I've spent the last couple days hooking up all my gear through my 1x12 cab. Comparing modelers, comparing amps, trying to figure out what I like and don't like.

I know I don't like the Orange Rocker 15 amp. At its best, it's a decent cleanish tone. But it generally sounds very fuzzy and dark with any kind of gain, and lacks a nice low end. I've tried running all my modelers and all kinds of analog drive pedals into it and always the same thing.

The Blackstar Amped 1 is surprisingly better sounding as a standalone clean amp. It has much better volume control, more extended low end and cleaner high end response, and takes pedals (virtual and analog) better. However, running modelers into it feels a little more hit or miss. Running everything flat it sounds kind of dull and lifeless. Better when you run a tube response curve, although that feels odd given the modeling which should already be happening.

Been really thinking about trying a different amp, and there's some used ones nearby that are intriguing. One is the Fender Tone Master Deluxe, specifically the Creamback version. I feel like that would be the ultimate clean amp that you could add a few pedals too and just have a fun time compared to the big modeler into studio monitors thing.

The other is the Orange Super Crush, the 100 watt all analog amp. That's interesting for a couple reasons...it has more EQ controls and more power on tap than the Rocker 15 so would likely not have the same lack of lows/highs. The power section is also the same as a Pedal Baby, so would be an all analog class AB clean amp for a modeler.

I dunno...I keep trying to simplify and then keep finding ways to make that complicated.
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Out of curiosity, is your cab closed or open back? Everyone’s different but I don’t really like gain of any type through an open back cab

TMDR w/creamback might be a cool move… I have a ‘76 deluxe reverb and really never liked the Jensen speaker that was in there. I put a creamback in and it changed everything. DR and creamback are. Wonderful combo imo…

I haven’t tried a super crush but the local hourly rehearal spot has crush 100s and I’ve always hated that amp so immensely. Even when trying my own cabs. A lot of people I trust seem to like both the crush and super though so I dunno. Personal differences and all that:idk

As far as you’re rocker 15 goes, I’m in a fairly large team of “don’t like EL84s” so that might be the same thing for you there


On the same token, my experience with the orange thunderverb 50 is definitely a more dark and fuzzy tone overall, but certainly not lacking in low end. But I think orange in general leans towards both “dark” and “fuzzy”, rockerverb probably being the exception
 
spawnofthesith said:
Out of curiosity, is your cab closed or open back? Everyone’s different but I don’t really like gain of any type through an open back cab

TMDR w/creamback might be a cool move… I have a ‘76 deluxe reverb and really never liked the Jensen speaker that was in there. I put a creamback in and it changed everything. DR and creamback are. Wonderful combo imo…

I haven’t tried a super crush but the local hourly rehearal spot has crush 100s and I’ve always hated that amp so immensely. Even when trying my own cabs. A lot of people I trust seem to like both the crush and super though so I dunno. Personal differences and all that:idk

As far as you’re rocker 15 goes, I’m in a fairly large team of “don’t like EL84s” so that might be the same thing for you there


On the same token, my experience with the orange thunderverb 50 is definitely a more dark and fuzzy tone overall, but certainly not lacking in low end. But I think orange in general leans towards both “dark” and “fuzzy”, rockerverb probably being the exception
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Closed back with V30. I think open back would sound better in this space honestly.
 
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