Where should I go next?

Where to go next...

  • Go back to Fractal. The Marshalls are calling you

    Votes: 18 50.0%
  • Get a Helix. You'll be glad when you're editing/building presets

    Votes: 12 33.3%
  • Go with another Kemper. You'll be glad you've got Performance mode during shows

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Give QC a second chance, it's learned it's lesson

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Total voters
    36
Agree, the form factor is really the only drawback for what I’m looking for in the Kemper. Though I’m tempted to go toaster + Kab instead of trying to put it all on a board. Or maybe even rack and then later add a Helix rack to go with it.

Yeah, my issues with the QC tone was just the amp models in general. I didn’t hear the same tonal problems in the Captures. My only slight problem with Captures was I didn’t feel like Captures of drive pedals worked or sounded as good as I’d hoped they would. Especially in front of Captures of amps. But I certainly didn’t exhaust all the possibilities there
The whole issue with form factor is a real shame, especially since the (non-powered) KPA doesn't actually have a ton of hardware in it. There's a lot of dead space. I considered gutting mine, and trying to put in a more compact, custom chassis. (I've consider doing this with almost everything I've ever owned LOL.) In the end, it was too valuable to risk damage to cable assemblies, etc., and the end result would probably have been more susceptible to RFI. I decided to move on instead. Form factor... limited routing... limited MIDI programmability (exacerbated by the mostly fixed routing) was strike three. Too bad Kemper never did a smaller unit better suited to a "part of this balanced breakfast" sort of approach.
 
QC has great hardware but needs so much work on its software...
If I agreed with that then I wouldn't own a QC, obviously. There's a thing or two I merely tolerate/ limp along with, but in general it gets the job done, and in most ways I prefer it, substantially, over the alternatives.

...that by the time they've got it all sorted out the next gen Line6 or Fractal are out or close to being released.
I think this is debatable. Fractal tends to move very incrementally, e.g. MkIV Turbo Plus with a Twist. Line 6 has indicated a long life cycle for HX in general. Both seem more entrenched in f/w development than bold hardware maneuvers for the moment.

It's inevitable that they'll eventually release something, but will that something speak to the differences that made me choose QC in the first place? Consider how each of these companies tend to iterate current products, and how their design philosophies have tracked over the years. Line 6 is the biggest wild card. I dig their UI/UX and their style overall. They could improve their audio engine, add some physical UI components, and really clean up. Fractal is more likely to press further into the realm of diminishing returns with mathematically perfect component modeling, maddeningly deep configuration, etc., with little concern for UX. I really admire this, but after a point, that's not where my priorities will lie.

Either way, we're talking about where the competition might be, in the future, vs. something I'm enjoying right now. :)
 
I'd love to see a smaller stripped down version of the Kemper that loads amp/cab profiles only and maybe a bit of room reverb. Kind of like an Iridium, but maybe with 3-4 rigs. Would be a fun tool to integrate with an HX FX or pedalboard.
 
I'd love to see a smaller stripped down version of the Kemper that loads amp/cab profiles only and maybe a bit of room reverb. Kind of like an Iridium, but maybe with 3-4 rigs. Would be a fun tool to integrate with an HX FX or pedalboard.
The cost to manufacture probably wouldn't change if they left all the rest of the effects intact, which buys you morphing, compatibility with other KPA presets, etc. The hardest thing would be deciding which buttons, encoders, display elements to sacrifice. Leave the FX loop, please! :)
 
The cost to manufacture probably wouldn't change if they left all the rest of the effects intact, which buys you morphing, compatibility with other KPA presets, etc. The hardest thing would be deciding which buttons, encoders, display elements to sacrifice. Leave the FX loop, please! :)

Yeah, the only way it would save a lot on costs would be if they built it around a cheaper DSP chip. I'd have to think though with the Kemper being over a decade old they could run it on something that's readily available and inexpensive.

For controls, they shrank things down quite a bit for the stage, but they could go even further. If they eliminate effects, you can ditch all the extra buttons, and then drop from having 14 switches down to 3-4.

If they were able to cut the unit size down to about 1/3 of the Stage and the price under $1000, that would probably move quite a few units I think...

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If I agreed with that then I wouldn't own a QC, obviously. There's a thing or two I merely tolerate/ limp along with, but in general it gets the job done, and in most ways I prefer it, substantially, over the alternatives.


I think this is debatable. Fractal tends to move very incrementally, e.g. MkIV Turbo Plus with a Twist. Line 6 has indicated a long life cycle for HX in general. Both seem more entrenched in f/w development than bold hardware maneuvers for the moment.

It's inevitable that they'll eventually release something, but will that something speak to the differences that made me choose QC in the first place? Consider how each of these companies tend to iterate current products, and how their design philosophies have tracked over the years. Line 6 is the biggest wild card. I dig their UI/UX and their style overall. They could improve their audio engine, add some physical UI components, and really clean up. Fractal is more likely to press further into the realm of diminishing returns with mathematically perfect component modeling, maddeningly deep configuration, etc., with little concern for UX. I really admire this, but after a point, that's not where my priorities will lie.

Either way, we're talking about where the competition might be, in the future, vs. something I'm enjoying right now. :)

I’m waiting for the FM9 “Quad Cortex” Edition. :ROFLMAO:

The only thing has kept me from diving into Fractal land is knowing most of the things I did like about the QC (Touch screen, form factor, wifi updates-presets/cap downloads) would drive me crazy on their devices.

Line 6 in theory could chop off the expression pedal and slap a touchscreen on a device with some improved guts (Grossly underestimating each point) but they are probably still selling a ton of these things as-is and who knows how soon they see a Helix successor as necessary.

I doubt 2023 will see either company make a bold hardware move.

That said 2022 has been a wasteland for QC development. The 2.0 update needs to substantially move the platform forward.
 
I’m waiting for the FM9 “Quad Cortex” Edition. :ROFLMAO:

The only thing has kept me from diving into Fractal land is knowing most of the things I did like about the QC (Touch screen, form factor, wifi updates-presets/cap downloads) would drive me crazy on their devices.

Line 6 in theory could chop off the expression pedal and slap a touchscreen on a device with some improved guts (Grossly underestimating each point) but they are probably still selling a ton of these things as-is and who knows how soon they see a Helix successor as necessary.

I doubt 2023 will see either company make a bold hardware move.

That said 2022 has been a wasteland for QC development. The 2.0 update needs to substantially move the platform forward.
All points right on the money. Each mfr. has their strengths, priorities, aesthetics... I'm not holding my breath waiting for FAS to suddenly become a leader in "ease of use", or Kemper to suddenly add crazy parallel routing functionality. Again, Line 6 might do anything - they're halfway there (or better) with UI, and they have deep pockets to draw from wherever improvements could be made.

As for CorOS 2.0... all I personally need is to be able to find captures in a way that isn't literally insane. I get where footswitch assignments are grossly underdeveloped, but I've long since worked around that. Beyond that, I don't really get where CorOS is so much a mess vs. any other product out there. It doesn't support NDSP plugins, but that's not a thing that the competition is even trying to achieve; it's just a stupid promise that NDSP can't figure out how to walk back.

If 2.0 is half what it's been made out to be (and it actually turns up LOL), the QC is going to be aces. But I don't see it mattering much - tons of people already love it, and tons of people will continue hating it, regardless. It's kind of a shame.
 
I actually really love their Marshalls!

I haven’t given up on the idea of an FM3. I think in a lot of ways it could be a good option. But the problem is if I’m mainly using it for amp tones it only has one amp block and the gap when changing channels on the amp block is bigger than it is on the AxeIII. And there’s no gap with the Kemper for as many amps as I want
With the QC you could have 8 captures in 1 preset of your amp
 
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Can it do 8 captures in a preset? This was awhile ago but I recall being capped out after so many.
Yes!
If all you need in the unit is to use captures as the man said he will be doing..then yeah you could use lane 1 and lane 3 this way you use all the DSP. Come on man.. haha
 
You did use the unit when you had it ?

I was jk a bit with the last one.. ;)
I did but I never used 8 captures in one. My patches were quite basic. Way back when (around launch) I know there was a limit and people complained about it
 
If Stage plus powered Kab made him happy, that would be cool. Otherwise anything plus the mythical featherweight Tonemaster DLX .. Anyway Metropolis (and JT) have more of a stomach for transitional rigs than most folks, so maybe no need to get too worked-up about his process. Whatever he does next will either work or it won’t, and it’s always interesting to read about it.
 
I did but I never used 8 captures in one. My patches were quite basic. Way back when (around launch) I know there was a limit and people complained about it
The cool thing about the QC is that you CAN use a lot of captures in 1 preset..it`s been that way always. It`s using less CPU than the models
 
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