Van Halen: Live Without A Net

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Eagle said:
5150 upscale from LWAN
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Every time i hear something from this era, Ed rips it up, has a great tone, interesting intro, then Sammy comes in and i turn it off.

For some reason he reminds me of when the jocks got into metal because they could go to shows and punch people.

I know, I need to eek my way through it and get to the solos some day. I’ll try.
 
HomespunEffects said:
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Every time i hear something from this era, Ed rips it up, has a great tone, interesting intro, then Sammy comes in and i turn it off.

For some reason he reminds me of when the jocks got into metal because they could go to shows and punch people.

I know, I need to eek my way through it and get to the solos some day. I’ll try.
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The guitar on this track is great and the solo on this version is really great. Stick with it for this one.
 
Ed changing his style from the early albums, and wanting to play keys had just as much impact on the difference between CVH and VanHagar as Sammy did IMO. Man the guy takes a lot of shit from guitar players.
Ed wrote the music for the power ballads, not Sam.
That said, I agree that Sam's worst lyrics were reallllllllllly bad.
I always though that some of Roth's lyrics were pretty dumb too.
I think this is pretty kick ass.

 
I always felt like Van Halen was a raw and original take on blues influenced heavy rock that changed the music industry and really the culture of the late 70's and 80's. The influences they had, direct and indirect are unbelievable.

As much as I liked Sammy's earlier work, Van Hagar felt more like just another hair metal pop band. Like a version of Poison with more talent. I don't think it was all Sammy's fault as I believe the other guys were shooting for more commercial and chart success to stick it to Dave for "leaving" but either way, the music was never the same.
 
Chocol8 said:
I always felt like Van Halen was a raw and original take on blues influenced heavy rock that changed the music industry and really the culture of the late 70's and 80's. The influences they had, direct and indirect are unbelievable.

As much as I liked Sammy's earlier work, Van Hagar felt more like just another hair metal pop band. Like a version of Poison with more talent. I don't think it was all Sammy's fault as I believe the other guys were shooting for more commercial and chart success to stick it to Dave for "leaving" but either way, the music was never the same.
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Yeah, I agree. I did like some of Sammy's earlier stuff (like Bad Motor Scooter) but the Van Hagar gig had a lot (A LOT) of cringe. Honestly though, I just hate power ballads.

That being said, the only time I saw Van Halen was on the tour for 5150 and I had a good time. Seeing DLR on the Skyscraper was much more of a party though.
 
I like parachute pants and headset mics. I like the ballads and I like the keyboards. Sammy's voice is great and that era was overall great for them. It's really just when Sammy does the old man perv lyric schtick where it becomes :wat for me. Even then; I still dig the tuneage \m/
 
5150, Summer Nights, Get Up, and Rock n Roll (Aside for Ed's solo spot) are all highlights from this show.

5150, because of the extended solo
Summer Nights, because of the extended solo
Get Up, because that song is just insane to watch them play - like who is driving the car in that song?!?
Rock n Roll, because hearing EVH's take on anybody else's stuff is always a treat & watching Alex play Bonzo is excellent.

Best of Both Worlds gets an honorary mention because of Mike's backing vocals which are not as prominent on the album.

PS - some where out there is bootleg audio of the other night from this recording & audio of them doing Good Enough & Wild Thing, which are both fun to listen to.

PPS - I really wish they'd release an official audio version of this show & Tokyo '89.
 
This brings back memories, I had it on VHS back in the day. DLR was in VH my freshman year in high school and Sammy was there the next year, so I like both versions of the band equally.
 
All VH lyrics are fuckin' cheesy. I think that was a prerequisite for joining that band. I'd imagine if I were old enough in the 80's to be fully aware of what DLR was talking about I'd feel differently about it, but the time I hit that age in the 90's, all that shit was corny as fuck.

Fortunately for me, I never pay attention to lyrics. I catch a word here and there but overall the only thing I pick up on with vocals is the emotion/intent/delivery. Sammy does get a LOT of shit, to the point no one even mentions how much of a great singer the guy is. Dude has an insane range and after watching a ton of VH boots, he's remarkably consistent for that vocal style. Same technique as Cornell/Ian Thornley/Kotzen and the fact he's been able to do it as long as he has is nuts.

I do wish I caught VH, but the two times I had the chance was '04 and '07 and I already knew Ed was playing like shit and didn't want that to be my memory of VH live. Still don't regret that now, but wish I tried harder to catch them once Ed got sober.
 
DrewJD82 said:
All VH lyrics are fuckin' cheesy. I think that was a prerequisite for joining that band. I'd imagine if I were old enough in the 80's to be fully aware of what DLR was talking about I'd feel differently about it, but the time I hit that age in the 90's, all that shit was corny as fuck.

Fortunately for me, I never pay attention to lyrics. I catch a word here and there but overall the only thing I pick up on with vocals is the emotion/intent/delivery. Sammy does get a LOT of shit, to the point no one even mentions how much of a great singer the guy is. Dude has an insane range and after watching a ton of VH boots, he's remarkably consistent for that vocal style. Same technique as Cornell/Ian Thornley/Kotzen and the fact he's been able to do it as long as he has is nuts.

I do wish I caught VH, but the two times I had the chance was '04 and '07 and I already knew Ed was playing like shit and didn't want that to be my memory of VH live. Still don't regret that now, but wish I tried harder to catch them once Ed got sober.
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Only time will tell if they stand the test of time.
 
Frodebro said:
Eddie wrote all the lyrics for VHIII, which is a big part of why it tanked. Eddie was best at ideas and snippets, but he needed people like DLR and Hagar to turn those ideas into songs.
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That's not 100%.
Gary wrote Year to the Day, Ballot or the Bullet, & he and Ed collaborated on a lot of the lyrics.

As a person who was not there when it came out and stumbled upon it later, I don't have the hate for it like others do, (by far it is not VH in the traditional sense).

I've always looked at it like an EVH solo album. (Gary has since called it Eddie's coming out record)

It wasn't just DLR & Hagar though, Alex had input and Templeman was a huge part of the recipe for the 6 pack, (and vocals for F.U.C.K. because And Johns thought Sammy was lazy at the time).
 
Y&T has been fairly frequent on the various Sirius channels I listen to on my drive time and I would have been super down for Dave Meniketti singing after DLR left. Lyrics would have been in a similar vein but probably a bit less cringe and his voice would have done great with all the material they did in both eras I'm thinking.
 
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