Enchilada Jones
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Marshall Astoria and Nasty Vox are much fun!
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Ipkz
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Can't wait to try it when I get home, but this sounds like an excellent update and more TSM-AI Marshalls are most welcome
Genome AI amps feel lighter on CPU compared to Amalgam Audio and other NAM profiles on my M1 MacBook Air. Most of the time I can run them at 16 samples on a Motu M2, whereas heavier NAM profiles start crackling until I go to 32 or 64 samples.
One thing that got my attention in the update notes was this:
- GENOME’s login and licensing system has been refined to offer improved loading time at startup.
- GENOME now features improved knob dragging behavior across Components.
Congrats on the update!
Thanks for all the info. Are we supposed to run the new UNINSTALLER, before this new version? IF SO, are all our presets we've written GONE , or will reappear when we update? Thanks in advance for the answers, Eric
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OK, I'm in no hurry!
I have no presets in my presets folder on my computer (OSX). How do I back up all my presets? Even if I export each preset, the export says it is saving the file, but no file gets saved. Weird. They are all there and work in the app - just wondering how to back them all up in case.
I found the same . . They seemed to save in "Banks" instead of "FX Presets", and then I'd try to save them in 'Fx Presets" and it says they're already there, but they're not visible to me. I finally got to the point I saved them in 'Fx Presets" but they show as 'unhighlighted 'tnr' files, and thus not-choosable. I've always had a hard time figuring out this work-process /saving thing with Genome. It sure sounds great though. I think I'll await other people's experiences before 'uninstalling' and 'updating' to the new version, to see how people were able to keep their presets they set up
Yes - it is weird the way those backup folders are all empty. I updated the new software last night without uninstalling it - went just fine - kept all the presets - no issues at all. But I would like to back up all my presets because they are so tailored to me and I'd hate to have to go through it all again if I lost them.
MirrorProfiles
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Trying Genome after quite a long gap. Tin hat time here, but may as well just be honest with my experience.
I still don't feel like the power amp modelling sounds correct - for instance, the Peavey 5150 model. The taper and response of the MV is nothing at all alike the real thing. In fact, all of it just feels weird to me.
Trying a few other amps and the master volume behaviour seems similar across all of them (SLO, Badlands, XTC). It's almost like a theoretical generic master volume behaviour rather than a 1:1 model. There are algorithmic models that get this way closer already.
I'm excited about the implementation of the TSM-AI stuff but I dont think it's there yet. It's impressive how quick Two Notes are turning out amp models, but IMO they should work on improving the tones more as IMO they kind of need re-doing.
Comparison clips here. IMO its lagging quite far behind all of the other ones I tested:
I still don't feel like the power amp modelling sounds correct - for instance, the Peavey 5150 model. The taper and response of the MV is nothing at all alike the real thing. In fact, all of it just feels weird to me.
Trying a few other amps and the master volume behaviour seems similar across all of them (SLO, Badlands, XTC). It's almost like a theoretical generic master volume behaviour rather than a 1:1 model. There are algorithmic models that get this way closer already.
I'm excited about the implementation of the TSM-AI stuff but I dont think it's there yet. It's impressive how quick Two Notes are turning out amp models, but IMO they should work on improving the tones more as IMO they kind of need re-doing.
Comparison clips here. IMO its lagging quite far behind all of the other ones I tested:
I'll get around to doing a Rectifier thread (Dez). After checking Genome out, I figured I'd do a bit of 5150 reamping. Yes, this amp has been modelled to death. Some got close quicker than others, most disappointed me in doing what the amp did within about 2 seconds of twiddling knobs.
Clips here, settings used below. The embedded playlist thing stops at 7 tracks so Genome is linked after.
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Clips here, settings used below. The embedded playlist thing stops at 7 tracks so Genome is linked after.
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Oh and still no mono instances (so all following plugins have to be stereo and panning can become fiddly). And I had a bug where making the instance inactive and then active again reset all the settings back to default.
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personally i don't care if they are not 100% accurate. If i can get my sounds.
It's been decades fhat manufactures claimed tubes were now replaced. Fact is that not even 2 tube amps sound and respond exactly the same.
But that's personal of course.
The question is. Do you hear it in the mix or do you just get what you want.
It's been decades fhat manufactures claimed tubes were now replaced. Fact is that not even 2 tube amps sound and respond exactly the same.
But that's personal of course.
The question is. Do you hear it in the mix or do you just get what you want.
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The whole reason I did the test in the first place was because it sounded and felt off. If it sounded correct to me i wouldn’t have gone in to check.The question is. Do you hear it in the mix or do you just get what you want.
So i guess the answer is both? Did you listen to the clips I posted? all the others sound much more like a 5150 and closer to each other despite the fact they’re all modelled from different units.
I had the same feeling across all the amps here. Disappointing.
2dor
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I was surprised that the Fractal was so obviously off tbh; the Amphub seemed overall closer. Nolly has the midrange and highs probably closest to the reference but the lowend is completely wack.
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Trying Genome after quite a long gap. Tin hat time here, but may as well just be honest with my experience.
I still don't feel like the power amp modelling sounds correct - for instance, the Peavey 5150 model. The taper and response of the MV is nothing at all alike the real thing. In fact, all of it just feels weird to me.
Trying a few other amps and the master volume behaviour seems similar across all of them (SLO, Badlands, XTC). It's almost like a theoretical generic master volume behaviour rather than a 1:1 model. There are algorithmic models that get this way closer already.
I'm excited about the implementation of the TSM-AI stuff but I dont think it's there yet. It's impressive how quick Two Notes are turning out amp models, but IMO they should work on improving the tones more as IMO they kind of need re-doing.
Comparison clips here. IMO its lagging quite far behind all of the other ones I tested:
I'll get around to doing a Rectifier thread (Dez). After checking Genome out, I figured I'd do a bit of 5150 reamping. Yes, this amp has been modelled to death. Some got close quicker than others, most disappointed me in doing what the amp did within about 2 seconds of twiddling knobs.
Clips here, settings used below. The embedded playlist thing stops at 7 tracks so Genome is linked after.
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Great test :)
Just cranked them through my live Matrix/Celestion FRFR rig up loud.
To my ears, the 2 "best" relative to the real Amp were the Helix [Stadium ?] and surprisingly, then the Nembrini Model.
Am very surprised at how [relatively] the Fractal sounded
... and yes ... the Genome Amp is *way way* off the mark ... even the Amplitube was belter 
I wonder (?) if the Genome TSM-Ai Amps are a hybrid made up of some component modeling combined with numerous interpolated ML Captures to get to the final product (?) Just a thought.
But yes ... the Genome track was ... honestly ... no even close to the real Amp whereas most of the others were kind of in the ball-park.
crispsandwich
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Great test :)
Just cranked them through my live Matrix/Celestion FRFR rig up loud.
To my ears, the 2 "best" relative to the real Amp were the Helix [Stadium ?] and surprisingly, then the Nembrini Model.
Am very surprised at how [relatively] the Fractal sounded
I wonder (?) if the Genome TSM-Ai Amps are a hybrid made up of some component modeling combined with numerous interpolated ML Captures to get to the final product (?) Just a thought.
But yes ... the Genome track was ... honestly ... no even close to the real Amp whereas most of the others were kind of in the ball-park.
Yeah, the Genome track sounded way off in the low-end. I don't normally give a toss about comparisons, particularly with modellers because we don't know what reference amp is being used in the model. But the amp Two Notes used is broken.
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Thanks for reaching out and sorry for the delay here - I was out of the office on annual leave!
Our recommendation is to uninstall GENOME using the Utility before installing v1.14. Your preset files are not touched during the uninstallation, however if you wanted to backup your rigs (something I thoroughly recommend, I would suggest exporting your Banks —details on how to do this can be found here: https://wiki.two-notes.com/doku.php?id=genome:genome_user_s_manual#rig_browser
If you encounter any issues, our support team is on hand to assist - please submit a ticket at Support.Two-notes.com and if you let me know your ticket number, I can get this fast-tracked for you!
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Trying Genome after quite a long gap. Tin hat time here, but may as well just be honest with my experience.
I still don't feel like the power amp modelling sounds correct - for instance, the Peavey 5150 model. The taper and response of the MV is nothing at all alike the real thing. In fact, all of it just feels weird to me.
Trying a few other amps and the master volume behaviour seems similar across all of them (SLO, Badlands, XTC). It's almost like a theoretical generic master volume behaviour rather than a 1:1 model. There are algorithmic models that get this way closer already.
I'm excited about the implementation of the TSM-AI stuff but I dont think it's there yet. It's impressive how quick Two Notes are turning out amp models, but IMO they should work on improving the tones more as IMO they kind of need re-doing.
Comparison clips here. IMO its lagging quite far behind all of the other ones I tested:
I'll get around to doing a Rectifier thread (Dez). After checking Genome out, I figured I'd do a bit of 5150 reamping. Yes, this amp has been modelled to death. Some got close quicker than others, most disappointed me in doing what the amp did within about 2 seconds of twiddling knobs.
Clips here, settings used below. The embedded playlist thing stops at 7 tracks so Genome is linked after.
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Hi everyone, Just pasting a response from another forum below - Would also like to add that I have sent all of this to our dev team for review and feedback; as and when I hear back from them, I will certainly let everyone know!
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Hi Guys, really interesting conversation here! Thanks to everyone for weighing in!
First thing, our amps are most certainly "inspired by" the amps in question but more importantly, from my experience, not all amps are created equal. For example (and I will not call out names) I have a few amps as backups and the tonal response can be different between two amps that are the same make/model.
One other factor to consider for a real world Vs digital comparison is always going to be how you are feeding your DAW with an Amp DI - I cant reveal our specific techniques but if you are using a load-box, this will certainly impact the feel of the real world amp and if different to our load solutions we use for capture, may cause a degree of disparity.
My suggestion would always be to calibrate your interface as per our guidelines and this will give you the quintessential replication of the amp we have captured - with that said, if you have specific tonal notes or comments regarding any amp in our line-up, we want to hear it! Send me your comments / wish-list and I will make sure the team see it - a great recent example being the HOT mode on Albion '59 that was in direct relation to customer feedback.
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Hi Ross
Just a quick Wah / EV Pedal Question.
I have a stock Mission EV which is Spring loaded to always revert to the fully heel-down position.
Using the Vox 47 Wah Block, is it possible (?) / is there a setting (?) whereby I can have the Wah Block OFF by default but then auto-engage-ON when the EV Pedal is pressed toward the Toe Position ?
Thanks.
Ben
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