Thinking about selling the Stealth

[JiveTurkey]

 

[spawnofthesith]

I would!

My new theory about the 5150 being praised as a power section for the Fractal, is that once everyone gets bored with the built in sounds, they buy a Fractal and they use the 5150 because its what they have. 5150 boredom is causing people to buy a Fractal, but then they learn about other amps and that is where the chaos begins.

Personally don’t feel that way , I have a 5153 amongst a decent handful of other amps/high gainers. While I don’t have a fractal, as far as a power amp for preamps on my HX stomp go, the 5153 is a clear winner. It just has a really good sounding well behaved possibly even “neutral” fx loop/power section for a modelled preamp. All my other amps impart too much coloration or have some weird quirks that don’t give the he same satisfaction

Recto supremacy won out?

So what’s next

 

[JiveTurkey]

5150III is modeler power amp perfection. And it has good sounds. But the long lost vibes from the Recto is so far out of the universe comparatively for my tastes it's not even funny. I did a partial trade for a greenback loaded 212 peavey cab. I'm either loading up the top half of my Boogie 412 or I am going to hold tight for a bit with. I'm still pondering whether a Syn-1 and IICP module with the recto power amp or LX would be a good Mark satiator.

 

[KingsXJJ]

Betting against the 5153 as an amp for modeling is not wise IMO if that’s the route taken. It just works well. For "FRFR" speakers. I go with two Fender FR12’s. Might be better offerings but for tone, price and so far reliability… I’m good. Looks great too. Go Fender/EVH.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

5150III is modeler power amp perfection. And it has good sounds. But the long lost vibes from the Recto is so far out of the universe comparatively for my tastes it's not even funny. I did a partial trade for a greenback loaded 212 peavey cab. I'm either loading up the top half of my Boogie 412 or I am going to hold tight for a bit with. I'm still pondering whether a Syn-1 and IICP module with the recto power amp or LX would be a good Mark satiator.

More like a good Mark Motivator! It’ll sound just good enough to make you really want the real deal.

 

[JiveTurkey]

More like a good Mark Motivator! It’ll sound just good enough to make you really want the real deal.

Time to off some Celestion F12-200x turds!

 

[JiveTurkey]

The EVH gets out the way. That's the magic. No power amp sauce to muddy the waters to speak of. And the form factor is obviously perfection imo.

 

[deadpool_25]

A Fractal (or other great modeler) through the 5153 50W (!) power section is fucking S-tier. I suspect it's something to do with the fact that the 50w loops aren't tube-buffered.

4CM with a Fractal, a 5153 50w, and a great cab is really fucking tough to beat. You get a great amp in its own right, and all the amps and effects of the modeler. Hell, once you do some A/B'ing with the real amp's preamp and the models you don't even really need 4CM anymore. Just run the Fractal into that FX loop and profit.

 

[KingsXJJ]

I would!

My new theory about the 5150 being praised as a power section for the Fractal, is that once everyone gets bored with the built in sounds, they buy a Fractal and they use the 5150 because its what they have. 5150 boredom is causing people to buy a Fractal, but then they learn about other amps and that is where the chaos begins.

I believe you assume a lot and generally think lowly of others. Some of us do whatever the heck we want and boredom has nothing to do with it.

Seriously, your mind reaches a conclusion for yourself and you then generalize how others come to a different conclusion? Sounds like lazy thinking. Much like you have repeatedly vacillated between praising a product as excellent and turning around a day later criticizing the same product and labelling it in a denigrating manner. I’m not sure you know what the heck you are doing.

You may have your own unique needs and that’s cool. But labeling solid gear as crap really doesn’t serve the newer musicians and users here who come seeking knowledge and help. Maybe I am totally wrong here and the community can set me straight here if I am.

But come on man… be cool.

 

[JiveTurkey]

FWIW; if the one I had was doing weird howling...I'd probably not be a fan either. When you are done with a piece; you're done. No sense dawdling around it imo.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Use what you like. Certainly. I had an Ironheart Studio (the 15 watter with el84s)? Only el84 amp I've ever liked. I had the Ironheart 120 and it was raspy, messy and generally gross sounding. And weighed a ton. Zero bond with that amp.

 

[KingsXJJ]

FWIW; if the one I had was doing weird howling...I'd probably not be a fan either. When you are done with a piece; you're done. No sense dawdling around it imo.

Roll tubes or GTFO IMO.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Roll tubes or GTFO IMO.

Maybe; maybe not? I am not averse to it at all. Dead simple to do. But the only amp that really benefitted from it was a Bugera turd I owned for a few months

 

[deadpool_25]

No one cares if you think the 5153 loop works especially well or not. We are going by our own experiences. The fact that your experience is different is irrelevant.

If you love your zoom through your ironheart, feel free to go enjoy that.

 

[KingsXJJ]

I think you're probably looking for a fight after a bad day at work, but you actually got onto my block list. This forum has strong personalities and if someone can't respond to my opinion without personal attacks, they shouldn't be in the discussion.

Sounds fair enough to me. It was an opinion offered honestly.

 

[deadpool_25]

you actually got onto my block list.

Ironic

 

[JiveTurkey]

I can't speak to the quality control of these amps. I tried EL34s in mine and it made it sound boxy. I don't doubt that the one you tried sounded terrible.

It might have been out of repair? Core tone did not speak to me.

 

[KingsXJJ]

Use what you like. Certainly. I had an Ironheart Studio (the 15 watter with el84s)? Only el84 amp I've ever liked. I had the Ironheart 120 and it was raspy, messy and generally gross sounding. And weighed a ton. Zero bond with that amp.

All Ironheart products I tried were the same. The Studio was the best but even with an in-depth preamp roll, it was dry, sterile and yes, raspy. Shame too because on paper, it was sweet.

 

[JiveTurkey]

All Ironheart products I tried were the same. The Studio was the best but even with an in-depth preamp roll, it was dry, sterile and yes, raspy. Shame too because on paper, it was sweet.

Dry is a PERFECT term for it!

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

If you love your zoom through your ironheart, feel free to go enjoy that.

It’s a tough one. That rig is the product of a Japanese-British-Chinese orthogonal axis of underhanded influence meant to brainwash guitarists into being lazy bums, thereby undermining North American hegemony….