The Digital Doubt

[Boudoir Guitar]

As absolutely amazing as Sayce is, and I’m sure the engineer knows what he’s doing, I think you’re overselling the skill required in getting a great tone.

And overselling the importance of tone in general.

 

[Sascha Franck]

And fwiw, the tones in the Sayce video are too harsh for my taste, just listened to it again with headphones and it's been quite an earpiercing experience.

 

[paisleywookiee]

And fwiw, the tones in the Sayce video are too harsh for my taste, just listened to it again with headphones and it's been quite an earpiercing experience.

Yeah, wouldn't be my go-to either, but Sayce makes it work, and his playing is the more interesting factor of the video.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

After 13 pages of reading I decided to trust you guys and then 'trust my ears' and try a take on making a cab.

With the Super Reverb, I have the 4x12 Greenback 20. That just shows what a cork sniffer I would be outside of the digital realm. A cab with a pricetag of 3000.. damn From Googling afterwards, it's a Marshall 4x12 basketwave.

I don't know what the F i'm doing but listening to the mic placement uncle larry video, i came to this.

 

[paisleywookiee]

After 13 pages of reading I decided to trust you guys and then 'trust my ears' and try a take on making a cab.

With the Super Reverb, I have the 4x12 Greenback 20. That just shows what a cork sniffer I would be outside of the digital realm. A cab with a pricetag of 3000.. damn From Googling afterwards, it's a Marshall 4x12 basketwave.

I don't know what the F i'm doing but listening to the mic placement uncle larry video, i came to this.

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I'd bring your high cut to 8 or 9Khz, and then perhaps come up a little higher on your low cut, depending on how boomy your tone is (and your preference, of course).

 

[Sascha Franck]

I'd bring your high cut to 8 or 9Khz

Shouldn't be required with that cab, it's rather dark by default already.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I'd bring your high cut to 8 or 9Khz, and then perhaps come up a little higher on your low cut, depending on how boomy your tone is (and your preference, of course).

Thanks!

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Shouldn't be required with that cab, it's rather dark by default already.

I liked it better with low cut and high cut off

 

[paisleywookiee]

I liked it better with low cut and high cut off

There’s your answer then. And I agree with Sascha, that particular cab probably doesn’t need much of a high cut.

 

[the swede]

Mate sent me this. It is all I have to contribute.

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That’s just awesome! Volvo machines rules!!! It’s actually kinda normal to do school trips to visit Volvo factories here in Sweden… back in the 80-90’s…
maybe not now….
I don’t know…
Ok… something cool just became… pffft

Sorry… I’ll see myself out.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

That’s just awesome! Volvo machines rules!!! It’s actually kinda normal to do school trips to visit Volvo factories here in Sweden… back in the 80-90’s…
maybe not now….
I don’t know…
Ok… something cool just became… pffft

Sorry… I’ll see myself out.

I pick a new v60 any day over an BMW 3 series or Audi A4.

V90 is also cooler than BMW 5 and Audi A6 but becomes more debatable for me ;-)

Thank you for your cars

 

[[Nathan]]

The Sayce vid reminds me of this... If you saw him play through a peavey bandit for 15mins you'd be ok with paying the stores RRP.
World class muso's will sound great on anything and will also shine on well dialled in gear.

 

[MadMaxG79]

That’s just awesome! Volvo machines rules!!! It’s actually kinda normal to do school trips to visit Volvo factories here in Sweden… back in the 80-90’s…
maybe not now….
I don’t know…
Ok… something cool just became… pffft

Sorry… I’ll see myself out.

There's a surprise: A Swede rambling about how great Volvo is... Next up: The story about how the end of Saab is the greatest loss to the automobile industry in the history of mankind...

(And yes: I'm a bitter Dane who's just jealous that we as a nation haven't left a lasting mark on the industry. Apart from Henrik Fisker, who's best known for going bankrupt with every endeavor...)

The Sayce vid reminds me of this... If you saw him play through a peavey bandit for 15mins you'd be ok with paying the stores RRP.
World class muso's will sound great on anything and will also shine on well dialled in gear.

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And all I can think about for the rest of the day is "Well I heard about the fella you been dancing with - all over the neighborhood..."

 

[Sascha Franck]

I'm a bitter Dane who's just jealous that we as a nation haven't left a lasting mark on the industry.

Dude! Hot Dogs!
And maybe Lego. But digesting it is not as easy.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

 

[MadMaxG79]

Dude! Hot Dogs!
And maybe Lego. But digesting it is not as easy.

True. But I was referring to automotive industry specifically, not Danish innovation in general. Otherwise, @the swede will just throw the all-ending argument that is Ikea.

Funny anecdote which will only serve to derail this thread even further: Just yesterday my 10 year old daughter asked me what they call French Hot Dogs in France. To which I had to admit that the French Hot Dog is actually a very Danish thing and that I don't think the French would ever stoop so gastronomically low as to ever ingest one. And that the name was most likely derived from the fact that the sausage is stuck into a bread that resembles half a baguette. This was very confusing to her

 

[Sascha Franck]

But I was referring to automotive industry specifically,

Oh of course! Same here!

 

[EOengineer]

I re-read my OP last night and could see how it turned out that way as a result of how I ended the post. More my fault for not sticking straight to the lack of trusting one’s own ears as I brought up the option aspect myself. Just took me a while to figure out where to jump back in.

Isn’t there a relationship between not trusting one’s ears and having infinite options though?

Micing amps in the studio is largely a battle of attrition if we’re being honest. Rarely are we spending hours nudging the mic into the perfect position, rotating out amps and cabs until everything is perfect, etc.

For most of us who don’t typically have unlimited recording budgets, it’s usually more like “this is the point of diminishing returns and BTW we still need to mic up the drums”. It should be fine and if not we will EQ it.

Modeling changed the math because it allowed us to dramatically reduce the time and effort required to change a tone, which IMO lends itself to tonal FOMO because it’s SO MUCH easier to tinker.

If Jimmy Page had an Axe 3 in the 60s, who knows what those tones would have ended up sounding like. He’d probably still be turning knobs.

 

[Orvillain]

Micing amps in the studio is largely a battle of attrition if we’re being honest. Rarely are we spending hours nudging the mic into the perfect position, rotating out amps and cabs until everything is perfect, etc.

Honestly, I'm so used to it now that it takes me about 20-30minutes to position three mics and get the rough colours I want; I want a bright fizzy mic, a smoother but still bright mic, and occasionally I might want something darker, in order to mix all three together and get a full sound.

If it is taking me an hour to position a mic, then I'm using the wrong mic, the wrong speaker, or the wrong amp.

 

[EOengineer]

Honestly, I'm so used to it now that it takes me about 20-30minutes to position three mics and get the rough colours I want; I want a bright fizzy mic, a smoother but still bright mic, and occasionally I might want something darker, in order to mix all three together and get a full sound.

If it is taking me an hour to position a mic, then I'm using the wrong mic, the wrong speaker, or the wrong amp.

Fair, but your average guitarist isn’t usually that astute when it comes to mics, phase relationships, etc. many of us here wear dual guitarist/engineer hats.

I’ll add that I do think modern modelers have done A TON to help guitarists better understand the difference between their amp as they stand next to it vs how a mic translates that. I’ve noticed in sessions over the last decade or so way more guitarists express a preference for certain mics and positions when they come in to track. That’s really cool.