Talk me out of buying 20 year old modeling tech...

[itchyfingers]

My apologies to the OP for the thread derail.

Not at all man, the whole thread is a really interesting read!

I'm hoping Itchy picked up an Axe III by now

Nope, no Axe OR Cyber Fender yet. I'm more confused than ever, lol.

 

[ctreitzell]

the stuff I learned this morning about Midi Designer Pro unlimited presets blew my mind!
I was completely unaware...just a wonderful way to work once set up

MDP can also turn your single CC midi FC into an incredibly powerful tool

There are modern versions of CyberTwin like designs, obviously...Diezel did one a couple years ago...all the modelers...but CTs are cheap nowadays and they should be, cuz they are old

I was playing my CT SE a couple days ago and couldn't seem to get rid of a cocked wah sound when playing the factory ROM programs (the Cxx Fender Custom Shop progs) it was very loud...I walked away still thinking the first edition just sounds better...

then, yesterday, I put a new battery in my heartfield and went through the Axx programs (amp "models, for lack of a better term), and was suitably blown away...really, really great stuff in there...I did not get through all 50 programs...I was investigating if the first 34 programs are identical to the first edition...I found some anomalies that might be named ticks mistakes by me...I gotta go back through it all and verify

I really wish there was a way to turn off the power to the power amp, I just want to use the pre and the FX section

 

[ctreitzell]

oh man, I went to check out the other 16 amp "models" in the A section of the SE
BUT I did nothing but play thru the Stage '99+ program for about 90 min or so
turned on Stereo Tape and tweaked the rvb on and off...messed with the phaser a little
but sorry kids, a lovely high gain distortion sound IMO

I'm gonna say it has to be the EV12L Classics getting it sounding so good; yes, the VHT 2902 is fantastic and the CT power sounds awful compared to the VHT...but the EVs just give out the same thing no matter the volume...I was playin fairly loud...just under 80dB and then down a bit...high 70s

 

[Tritium3H]

I'd recommend bellying up to the bar, and ordering a Fender Tone Master Pro. I don't think you will be disappointed.

 

[ctreitzell]

one can purchase 6 CyberTwins for the cost of the The Tone Master

that said, I'm using
_a $1000+ power amp (probably be lucky to find a Fryette/ VHT for less than 1K at this time, and talk about heavy!);
_and new EV12L run $280 each right now
_and those EV12L are loaded in PE60 cabs
I spent too much for the PE60s...that are now parted
that has my CT rig well over $2K

the Tone Master is much lighter
and is basically an excellent remote control

I'd say the only thing one should consider the CT as is a guitar pre
that is a very cumbersome form factor

 

[Eagle]

If you want old modelling tech that is still relevant buy a Kemper power rack and a Kemper cab. World class tones still supported and proven . The latest firmware and editor makes it a lot better than it used to be. Fx are usable too.

 

[Diary Of An Axeman]

I dropped in two VHT Valvulator 1's w/ one 12ax7 tube each, between a Digitech 2112 SGS w/ two 12ax7 tubes, going into a couple of Crate Power Blocks and those VHT Valvulator really juiced up that archaic rack unit to unbelievable Sonic tonality.

The Valvulator 1 is a magic unit, too bad Fryette stopped making that magic box.

 

[timbuck3]

 

[ctreitzell]

I still have a firewire port in my current computer
and I use it often

laptop production is the issue...and there are conversion adaptors

 

[Cspini]

FWIW I don’t think the Cyber Deluxe had the motorized knobs, just the Cyber Twin.

I had both an original and an SE back in the day and gigged with them quite a bit. They were solid and never gave me any issues. Tones were hit and miss. I remember I loved the Fender clean tones, but I really struggled to get overdrive tones I liked out of just the amp.

IIRC the Cyber Twin preamp was analog, not digital.

I have two cyber deluxes and love them. They don’t have the motorized knobs. They’re one of the best amps I’ve ever played! A lot of the people that diss them need to concentrate on their own hands for tone and taking to consideration that they probably play through digital pedals anyway! I had a Boss GEN 3 artist and I like this better for live gigging.

 

[Skwizzerjumbs]

There are a decent number of people still using Yamaha Magicstomps (2001, based on DG, UD Stomps and SPX). I have one in the loop of my HX Stomp. It stays in one preset (8 band parallel delay), and I wish it had DIN MIDI, but I'm going to have to do 3rd party mods to integrate it with my MIDI controller. Still sounds amazing, and it can't be replaced by anything else. It runs on 12 vac, which isn't good, and there are some issues with these in general, mostly due to being a 20+ year old product that runs hot. I keep hoping Line 6 rewraps the original algorithms into the HX architecture, but they haven't quite done that with the effect I use.

 

[timbuck3]

I have two cyber deluxes and love them. They don’t have the motorized knobs. They’re one of the best amps I’ve ever played! A lot of the people that diss them need to concentrate on their own hands for tone and taking to consideration that they probably play through digital pedals anyway! I had a Boss GEN 3 artist and I like this better for live gigging.

 

[ChordInversion]

Hey, the Cyber Twin offers a broader range of classic Fender amp tones than the Tone Master Pro. How can you go wrong?

 

[NKP]

Wow the cyber twin .
I remember that one , heavy to lift like the real one haha

 

[LScottK]

I was in a band with another guitarist who loved his CyberTwin. He developed rheumatoid arthritis in his hands so he had to give up playing. He offered to sell me his CyberTwin for $400 and I declined. I was using a L6 Vetta 2x12 at the time and didn't see any reason to switch. His tonez were good, though. The arthritis was a shame because he was an excellent player.

 

[ChordInversion]

As In noted in a thread in the amps forum, I just bought a Blues Cube 4x10 cabinet to go with my Blues Cube Tour heads. I have no room to talk on buying old tech non-tube amps.

 

[Guitarwiz007]

I owned a Rocktron Replitone 212 forever. It was a fantastic sounding amp. I put some WGS Veteran 30 speakers in it and it really came alive. Old digital tech but it was a great amp and a great alternative to my Mesa Express 5:50 212. I loved that amp as well but depending on the venue we were playing, I often opted for the much lighter Rocktron. I loaned to a friend several years ago and he has since passed on and I never saw that amp again but I would take it onstage in a heartbeat if I still had it.

I thought those Johnson Millennium amps and the Cyber Twins as well as the Yamaha DG series amps were all much better than naysayers gave them credit. Rock that Cybertwin.