Synergy Owners Thread

GTR37 said:
that looks great and it looks like it is the Gower circuit
lots of stuff 3 position brights, 3 position voice, saturation , 3 or 4 stage preamp

If Synergy IR20 has some wicked power amp controls and is a game changer as Mike Neilson says , I think they will pretty much steal the show
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Not the Gower mod, but the KK mod that Mike and Dan designed together, and have implicit agreement we can both use.
 

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I just saw the Toneking Imperial
These crazy buggers put a freaking amp tremolo circuit in it 😂
 


So these new modules and the SYN20-IR seem to have a few new tricks up their sleeves.

The new modules seem to follow the Z-Wreck with the poweramp "sim" stuff, while the SYN20-IR offers 3 poweramp behavior types and replaces Sag with Resonance which apparently has an effect on feel and midrange.

Do you think they will make V2 versions of existing modules and SYN units that incorporate this stuff? Is it even relevant?
 
laxu said:


So these new modules and the SYN20-IR seem to have a few new tricks up their sleeves.

The new modules seem to follow the Z-Wreck with the poweramp "sim" stuff, while the SYN20-IR offers 3 poweramp behavior types and replaces Sag with Resonance which apparently has an effect on feel and midrange.

Do you think they will make V2 versions of existing modules and SYN units that incorporate this stuff? Is it even relevant?
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From what gather the power amp settings are complimenting the front end cathode setting so you basically have a Fender Marshall , modern (SLO )
Response from the amp

It really hard to decipher what the rep is saying on what they are really doing, in this instance you almost want someone like a Cliff Chase talking about it , Steve is a nice guy but is like the Polar opposite of Cliff

I am waiting for the YouTubers they will probably be able to discuss more and also when the specs get posted

I am interested in it though
 
laxu said:
Do you think they will make V2 versions of existing modules and SYN units that incorporate this stuff? Is it even relevant?
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For most of the modules, I don’t think there is enough value to merit the cost. In some configurations and amp designs you don’t even want the module with any power amp weirdness in there. If you are running a rack power or 4CM head, some of that stuff may actually get in the way of it sounding/feeling as good as it could.

The Z and the Tone King have stuff going on where it is clearly beneficial. I don’t think it make much financial sense for BAD to incur redesign costs for something like that for existing stuff especially given how long it takes them to release stuff.

It’s all about *new*.

For the 20IR it is going to simulate (or implement) different topologies and negative feedback settings to give some extra flexibility. Again, how much that matters and how useful it is will likely vary depending on what you are shooting for and personally like.

The 20IR looks like the ultimate home studio tube amp and small gig lunch box to me. I’m thinking it’ll be a massive hit.
 
Elric said:
For most of the modules, I don’t think there is enough value to merit the cost. In some configurations and amp designs you don’t even want the module with any power amp weirdness in there. If you are running a rack power or 4CM head, some of that stuff may actually get in the way of it sounding/feeling as good as it could. The Z and the Tone King have stuff going on where it is clearly beneficial.
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My understanding is the Fortin module has it too, which I did not expect.
 
laxu said:
My understanding is the Fortin module has it too, which I did not expect.
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That is kind of interesting. Maybe they see value in it going forward with their ecosystem then. I.e. digital back ends on docks, etc.
 
Elric said:
That is kind of interesting. Maybe they see value in it going forward with their ecosystem then. I.e. digital back ends on docks, etc.
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Wasn’t there a rumor that there was going to be a SYN2 with the digital backend stuff in it? I may be confusing it with the SYN20, but I thought I saw someone say a SYN2-IR was in the works.
 
Jason - Fortin Amps said:
Not the Gower mod, but the KK mod that Mike and Dan designed together, and have implicit agreement we can both use.
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Does the module have the poweramp stuff (my understanding a small transformer and some other circuitry) to do poweramp-ish things, and if yes, how is it used there? My understanding was that it might be useful for modules that derive more of their sound from the poweramp in the original amps, but does a high gain amp benefit from something like that too?
 
Question for those that may have been around these things longer than me - do we know why there's significant variance in volume levels among Synergy modules?

For example, the IICP is a very loud module and I run it in tandem with other modules in the Syn 2 rackmount. If I set the master and lead master to noon on both channels, they balance well. However to get the same level of volume from my DRECT or Uberschall, I have to turn the master knobs up significantly. With the DRECT, the master volumes have to be at about 3 o'clock on the module to match the volume of the IICP. I was just wondering why there was a variance, it's no big deal, but I found it interesting.
 
Desertdweller said:
Question for those that may have been around these things longer than me - do we know why there's significant variance in volume levels among Synergy modules?

For example, the IICP is a very loud module and I run it in tandem with other modules in the Syn 2 rackmount. If I set the master and lead master to noon on both channels, they balance well. However to get the same level of volume from my DRECT or Uberschall, I have to turn the master knobs up significantly. With the DRECT, the master volumes have to be at about 3 o'clock on the module to match the volume of the IICP. I was just wondering why there was a variance, it's no big deal, but I found it interesting.
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there are some variances in the loudness of the modules. From recall the be-dlx i have the channel volumes past noon but the Bogner ecstasy is more like 10am. My Syn-1 volume is set to noon.
One thing I will say is I don't have to apply much in Sag - that is normally about 9am - so I'm not sure of there setting where I can get more usable range out of it.
 
Regarding the ToneKing Imperial module vs the new ToneKing Imperial pedal. If I have the Syn20 IR and get the Imperial module am I getting the same thing as far as the two amp channels. Obviously no reverb in the module vs the pedal and some of the IO may be different but I’m just wondering about the fundamental ‘amp sound’ comparison.
 
Enchilada Jones said:
Regarding the ToneKing Imperial module vs the new ToneKing Imperial pedal. If I have the Syn20 IR and get the Imperial module am I getting the same thing as far as the two amp channels. Obviously no reverb in the module vs the pedal and some of the IO may be different but I’m just wondering about the fundamental ‘amp sound’ comparison.
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I'd say yes. How it works for IRs on the SYN20, I don't know.
 
Maybe owners can correct me, but I see a couple of issues with the Synergy system:
  • Poweramp was static with the previous systems. The SYN20-IR seems to correct this with the 3 poweramp settings, and some modules coming with that virtual poweramp thing. Whether this trickles down to a SYN-50 or the rack units...who knows.
  • Whether it's actually better than a good modeler into a poweramp? Sure, knobs are nice, real tubes are nice, no latency is nice. But each module costs as much as a boutique pedal - which is totally fair, but I still feel like Synergy is best at being a "pick your amp channels" system over "swap all these amps via modules". Like pick 2-3 modules and call it a day instead of collecting them all.
  • Cab is the same. While e.g my 4x10 with Greenbacks sounds good with just about anything, it would not be the perfect compliment for a lot of amps (e.g Vox style modules). I imagine this would be the major problem with Synergy in how much variety you can get out of the modules. Again SYN20-IR's cab sims solve these, just not for "cab in the room" playing.


This compares a ton of the modules and the sounds end up somewhat same-ish because the cab stays the same. Seems to be a different IR for drive, cleans and the OS (Dumble) module according to the video description.

Of course this leads me down crazy ideas road like what if you buy two SYN-1 units and run those to two sides of a stereo poweramp and then two different cabs? Then you could use an A/B/Y box to switch or blend them together, dial Sag individual. Two SYN-1s is only a bit more money than a SYN-2.

After my Fryette PS-100 sprung back to life I've been considering Synergy. Don't know how well it would work as a poweramp for this stuff.
 
laxu said:
After my Fryette PS-100 sprung back to life I've been considering Synergy. Don't know how well it would work as a poweramp for this stuff.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that the Fryetter Poweramps are used for tweaking the tones of the modules.

What I can definitely say is that my synergy modules into my fryette PS-2A is the best tone I've ever had - I'm not using a cab - I'm self attenuating and then going into Fractal for CAB Ir's etc. Synergy/Fryette combination seems to Work better with impulse responses. Something I can't always say when just using modeling

I'm also playing more as not having to tweak as much - IR Selection is still key.
 
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