Synergy Lunchbox

[Life Eats Life]

Synergy..Afternoon Delight every night..
- the gold leader in Viagra.

 

[GTR37]

That would eliminate any controls for the clean channel like the SYN30, which if removed, would basically tank its utility if you’re going to have to bring your own clean tones to the party externally. Unless you’re just looking for a direct recording solution and fine swapping modules constantly.

True but I can only see 2 controls on the left side
Unless they are going simplified clean a la Freidman / Astro
Level , Tone , mids and bright switches , that possible I guess
This is my initial thought a redo of the RM20
Similar to the controls in that photo there are 4

 

[JiveTurkey]

Unless you’re just looking for a direct recording solution and fine swapping modules constantly.

 

[GTR37]

My other rant is I am tired of lunchboxes in a metal box
If you want a metal grate front plate sure but put it or give the option to put it in a freaking headshell
I find it a lazy AF aesthetic tbh

 

[laxu]

My other rant is I am tired of lunchboxes in a metal box
If you want a metal grate front plate sure but put it or give the option to put it in a freaking headshell
I find it a lazy AF aesthetic tbh

Cheaper and lighter = metal box.
More expensive and heavier = headshell.

I just wish manufacturers started making their headshells out of something other than heavy birch ply. You are not throwing an amp head down the stars, or accidentally dropping it while that's easier to do for bigger, heavier things like cabs and combos.

And while I'm at it, there's a lot of other tolex options than black. Manufacturers just don't want to use them most of the time.

 

[aivoryuk]

very interested if this is new synergy offering

 

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[Stratzrus]

No details available yet. I hope this isn't too pricy, and uses 6L6's like the 30 watt normal:

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Who makes that guitar stand?

Nevermind, found it.

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/acc...00--D&A Guitar Gear Hydra Triple Guitar Stand

 

[GTR37]

I wish there was more info on this but it just too early I guess
Even the guy at the booth kind of gave slim details and said it has a pres and master
When I see reactance / master , maybe reactance is kind of like a presence depth combined

He also talks about the power amp config which is interesting as it appears it can be set up with editor but he also mentions the digital side is controlling the analog circuit in the amp as well

I am wonder 3 storable setting 1 for clean 1 for each module channel so you can set pres / depth per channel
Then the reactance could be like the dampening or sag
If that were true that would certainly give you a lot of tonal options

 

[dronerstone]

So, if this is the rumoured "lunchbox-sized power amp for modelers"...

Was this never aimed at anyone besides Synergy users?

I guess we'll see.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I wish there was more info on this but it just too early I guess
Even the guy at the booth kind of gave slim details and said it has a pres and master
When I see reactance / master , maybe reactance is kind of like a presence depth combined

He also talks about the power amp config which is interesting as it appears it can be set up with editor but he also mentions the digital side is controlling the analog circuit in the amp as well

I am wonder 3 storable setting 1 for clean 1 for each module channel so you can set pres / depth per channel
Then the reactance could be like the dampening or sag
If that were true that would certainly give you a lot of tonal options

It all sounds awfully complicated and digital/app- focused for a device whose primary appeal is a less complicated and more analog way to have variety.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I wonder if that power section switching mentioned in the video is something like on the old Line 6 DT amps where you could switch topologies and between class A and AB operation. That'd be a great feature to have. If this is the case though, I feel like it's wasted on a puny EL84 amp. I'd want to see that on a 50-100 watt big boy.

I did see a Z-Wrecked module in there so I guess we'll get at least one new module at some point.

It all sounds awfully complicated and digital/app- focused for a device whose primary appeal is a less complicated and more analog way to have variety.

I agree with this. The whole point of Synergy is to have variety with a simple analog system. If they start dumping all kinds of digital stuff in it and you need an app to control things, it defeats the purpose.

 

[Elric]

I wonder if that power section switching mentioned in the video is something like on the old Line 6 DT amps where you could switch topologies and between class A and AB operation. That'd be a great feature to have. If this is the case though, I feel like it's wasted on a puny EL84 amp. I'd want to see that on a 50-100 watt big boy.

TBH, I would guess that all of the structure stuff is only going to affect the line out/direct signal. I expect through the speaker, you are probably getting a straight 20W EL84 power amp. I'd venture to guess it probably uses some of Dave's design collateral from his series of 20W amps that BAD already manufactures and feature internal loads for some of them.

So my guess is that the direct out is tapped off the preamp and it is like the IR-X (probably using a fork of the exact same 'powered by synergy' code).

In that case I would not be surprised if all of this structure, etc, stuff is only going to apply to the direct out.
If you unplug the speaker the power amp is either fully off or redirected to a resistive load like it is today on the Syn30 in silent mode.

Could be completely wrong but I am guessing they architected it as: Traditional 20W EL84 analog amp w/ one module slot and built-in clean with a digital back end for silent mode and DI out.

Should be a great home studio box and good small gig box for some.

I agree with this. The whole point of Synergy is to have variety with a simple analog system. If they start dumping all kinds of digital stuff in it and you need an app to control things, it defeats the purpose.

I'd be pretty shocked if the app or need for digital stuff had much to do with the amp like I said, if you just want to use it like an amp plugin a module connect a speaker and let it rip. The other controls are there to control the DI out functions on the fly w/out dragging out an app.

 

[GTR37]

I wonder if that power section switching mentioned in the video is something like on the old Line 6 DT amps where you could switch topologies and between class A and AB operation. That'd be a great feature to have. If this is the case though, I feel like it's wasted on a puny EL84 amp. I'd want to see that on a 50-100 watt big boy.

I did see a Z-Wrecked module in there so I guess we'll get at least one new module at some point.



I agree with this. The whole point of Synergy is to have variety with a simple analog system. If they start dumping all kinds of digital stuff in it and you need an app to control things, it defeats the purpose.

I think the structure stuff could be pres/ depth settings that get stored per channel
Hence the 3 settings
The demo guy said it changes in the software but also configures the analog circuits in the amp
Reactance could be a dampening or sag like how quick the power amp response is or if it has a bit of sag

 

[aivoryuk]

If you unplug the speaker the power amp is either fully off or redirected to a resistive load like it is today on the Syn30 in silent mode.

I didn't realise that the Syn30 head and combo has a silent mode but it is a resistive mode and not a reactive load?
With the Syn50 I can see a balanced out but no silent mode so I assume you still have to have a cab connected?

 

[Elric]

I didn't realise that the Syn30 head and combo has a silent mode but it is a resistive mode and not a reactive load?
With the Syn50 I can see a balanced out but no silent mode so I assume you still have to have a cab connected?

Yeah, I dunno why they didn’t put a silent mode on the 50, probably cost and heat concerns with the higher output amp. But yeah, you’d need a separate load for the 50.

On the 30 you need to set the standby switch to middle position to get silent mode and redirect the output to the internal load.

But I would expect the Syn20 might follow other Friedman 20W amps (ex JJ jr) and just do the redirect when the speaker jack is unplugged. I do not see a three way switch on the front.

The load is resistive. You can see the big wire wound power resistor if you open it up. There’s no upside to making it reactive the way it is used. They are tapping the DI off the preamp. For the Syn20 IR; I would absolutely assume they will do the same the Friedman IRX and the Soldano Astro 20 both are completely digital in their ‘powered by Synergy’ power amp simulation. They are not going to do something different for this amp, I would bet on it.

Like I said, I am guessing all the structure, etc, stuff is in the digital realm, only, too. We'll see though. I am speculating based on the state of related products and BAD's overall direction/history.

 

[GTR37]

resurrecting this thread as there appears to be some buzz that the 20IR is going to launch this month
Apparently the amp has simple clean , but lets you pair up the appropriate power amp response for the module
In the same way the 3 pre cathode position switch does
So you can have the classic tone more Sag , the Vox ClassA
And a Modern that more like a tighter 5150 , FRYETTE was the designer of this , in addition it will have further customizable options in the software

For guys into modelling it seems like it could be pretty cool a FOH IR and a cab
This and a Fractal VP4 for effects would be a pretty nice small rig combo

Also mentioned by Avi
2 new companies and something really cool from
Toneking

Wonder who the 2 companies could be ?
I am thinking maybe smaller brands like KSR
Revv , Mezzabarba, Suhr perhaps