Microdelays are used to create a Haas-like effect for creating a wider stereo spread. It thickens the signal somewhat and can impact high frequency coloration. It is definitely not a deal breaker and clearly some of these things might even be desireable but its also not the pure guitar signal and it isn't the same as two identical signals being sent out simultaneously with zero delay. It is an effect. That's really all I was saying.
Synergy Nerds, school me..
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And I definitely am not complaining about latency. I use digital modelers all the time and not particularly sensitive until it gets quite high like more than 10 msec. But I run them alone by itself. Same as with my syn 20ir. I either use the Di or cab. But my primary use is recording which as politeleo said is really different than the subtle difference when using one output to monitor and one for foh.
CorrosiveMatter
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Sorry all, I was either in super pain or Codeine was was kicking my balls in.
I am super stupid on latency and don't know jack.
I did plug my Syn-IR20 in and ran XLR out to one of my PMX-12's and after messing with volume levels I can't hear anything except any spread I have from the cab to the PMX especially once I moved the PMX directly in front of the cab. I can only hear the difference of the cab/speaker vs the PXM/IR.
I was 100% (never interface to plugin) digital until late 23ish and I am only a bedroom player.
Realistically its probably not worth worrying about for yet another reason for live playing. Besides the neglible latency, unless you are running into the exact same cab and miking it with same microphone as the cab ir you are using it would just be some blend of the two tones so shouldn't be distracting at all. Maybe there would be a little difference if it was the exact setup of cab/mic but for most it most likely wouldn't be.
MirrorProfiles
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Randall RM100 would do it. Think one sold quite cheap recently
Richard_G
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A SYN-2 with your choice of dedicated tube power amp? Or hooking a SYN-2 (or SYN-1) up with one of your tube amps?
laxu
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Pretty much.
To me the big drawback of this approach is not having those poweramp voicing/feel altering features introduced in the SYN-20IR. I've been hoping they'd simply upgrade the dual module, 50W head model to include all that. That might get me interested in Synergy.
The SYN-2 is hideously overpriced for what it is IMO.
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Yeah, but @Orvillain wanted 100 watts of tube power.
I mentioned the SYN-2 to make it easier to use different modules, but I agree it’s pricey.
I chose a SYN-1 and a SYN-20IR head myself.
I mentioned the SYN-2 to make it easier to use different modules, but I agree it’s pricey.
I chose a SYN-1 and a SYN-20IR head myself.
JiveTurkey
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Your amp pile>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whatever Synergy nonsense you can dream up.
Southpaw-DD
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This has been my thinking lately - I'm more interested in collecting a few keeper amps vs. the Synergy "catalog". However, I have enjoyed being able to swap out modules and get different tones.
GuitarBilly74
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It's totally ok to do both. I think the Synergy stuff is cool. Not as a replacement to an amp collection , but as a nice addition to it nonetheless.
JiveTurkey
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It's a fairly easy way to branch out but it is not a small investment (at least if you are building a regular rack around it) and is definitely going to get homogenized by using the same power amp. More knobs to twist is cool though.
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I've never found a power amp be nearly as much a final eq as the cab.
JiveTurkey
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Yeah and to contradict myself and point of all sounding the same; every amp I have goes through the same two cabs. Speaking of homogenization. I need to rectify that at some point but the only direction to go is 4x12 and I'm just not there yet?
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Orv has a lot of great amps! Which is also why I suggested hooking up a SYN-1 or SYN-2 to one of those amps, expanding them with switchable alternative preamp modules.
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Syn5050? 100 Watts bridged or 50 per side for glorious stereo!
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I actually did talk myself out of the Synergy stuff earlier when I priced it up, and realised the modules I would want, I already basically have the amps for. That then sent me on a quest to wonder about a Friedman amp, and maybe someone out there would want to part-ex my Axe3 against their Friedman, and then later on I would get an AM4 to fill the Fractal gap.
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Personally, I like that I can get uncommon combinations. Lately I have been loving the SLO II into the Mesa 2:90 poweramp. Great combination. I dont really care about wanting a bunch of different power amps. I dont need that many tones. I just like having different preamps to chose from as my mood changes. People rarely use a room of amps with a MIDI switcher to get all those tones at once.
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I'm in the same boat. I run a 2:90 as well and I keep a mix of 6L6 and EL34 so it has the best of both worlds, and I run it in deep/modern pretty much always engaged. The DRECT and Killer Kali have sat in the rack for the past 2ish years and I have no ambition to change them, I've tried a bunch of the Synergy modules and those two are the ones that have really stuck for me. The Uberschall was great too, but I'm finding I like experimenting with lower gain recently, so I may go with a Morgan or Plexi as my next modules.
That's the great thing about rack gear, it's modular, so it's your sound how you want it.
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