Stick with Mac or move to Windows?

[EOengineer]

This shits getting up there with religion and politics in terms of the level of entrenchment.


If I had some UBER specific use case that required me to use Windows, I’d slit my own throat and hope to reincarnate into a less shitty timeline.

I value my time and sanity more than money, and will happily trade money for either.

Yes, Macs are expensive and you have to buy them preconfigured. Grow the fuck up. You pay once, and you are set for a decade. If replacing your technology hardware once a decade is too much for you to fathom, go back to licking windows.

Glad I could add a nice level headed, unbiased take to this shitshow thread.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Mac mini M4 is on sale for $550, you peasants.

 

[EOengineer]

Mac mini M4 is on sale for $550, you peasants.

That is an ABSURD amount of computer for $550 but I wouldn’t touch that 256 SSD with a 10 meter cattleprod. If it’s the same one they used in prior generations it absolutely castrated the performance.

 

[paisleywookiee]

That is an ABSURD amount of computer for $550 but I wouldn’t touch that 256 SSD with a 10 meter cattleprod. If it’s the same one they used in prior generations it absolutely castrated the performance.

Not entirely sure. I thought I read they fixed that with the 246GB SSD’s. Still, I’d rather get a 512GB.

 

[EOengineer]

Not entirely sure. I thought I read they fixed that with the 246GB SSD’s. Still, I’d rather get a 512GB.

Yeah - admittedly I’m too lazy to look it up but I’d never buy a machine with such little storage anyway.

 

[JiveTurkey]

This shits getting up there with religion and politics in terms of the level of entrenchment.


If I had some UBER specific use case that required me to use Windows, I’d slit my own throat and hope to reincarnate into a less shitty timeline.

I value my time and sanity more than money, and will happily trade money for either.

Yes, Macs are expensive and you have to buy them preconfigured. Grow the fuck up. You pay once, and you are set for a decade. If replacing your technology hardware once a decade is too much for you to fathom, go back to licking windows.

Glad I could add a nice level headed, unbiased take to this shitshow thread.

Mac mini M4 is on sale for $550, you peasants.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Yeah - admittedly I’m too lazy to look it up but I’d never buy a machine with such little storage anyway.

If you know a student, or want to fib, Mini M4 with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is $699.

 

[EOengineer]

If you know a student, or want to fib, Mini M4 with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD is $699.

I’m loaded up on Macs. I have a maxed out m1 mini and an m2 MBA with 1TB and 24GB RAM.

That’s a killer package for an audio student though, if anyone is still dumb enough to go to school for audio.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Every time I DON'T have to pull my hair out with drivers and windows updates when all I want to do is open up a DAW and fire up a plugin real quick - I appreciate the shit out of macOS. #itjustworks. I'm in IT, keep me away from working IT after hours please

 

[EOengineer]

Every time I DON'T have to pull my hair out with drivers and windows updates when all I want to do is open up a DAW and fire up a plugin real quick - I appreciate the shit out of macOS. #itjustworks. I'm in IT, keep me away from working IT after hours please

My whole team is Linux based and it’s a daily occurrence that we lose audio connectivity, or Bluetooth, or keyboard, insert anything else that can go wrong.

I don’t have time for that shit. Good tools get out of your way, and nobody seems to understand that better than Apple.

 

[djd100]

Apple obsoletes HW and SW with a lot of their HW/SW upgrades, so pay more for new HW, and pay more for new SW to gain speed, on top of their already high pricing.

Windoz on the other hand does not, or at least not as often seeing our show computers run on Win 7 Pro, and our studio computers run on Win 10 Pro.

That with the lessor costs and more available SW, Windoz 10 or better seems like a no brainer, aside from the sucky aspect of Windoz, like Windoz Update etc?

P.S. I was a Apple guy until they started obsoleting stuff with OSX.x, and then we switched to Windoz with Win 7, skipped Win 8.x, went to Win 10, and so far have skipped WIn 11, and all the same software still works aside from the newer stuff which requiresd Win 10 and above.

Just sayin' that the Apple carousel gets to be an expensive PITA IMO, though of course it's a somewhat cleaner OS.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Apple obsoletes HW and SW with a lot of their HW/SW upgrades, so pay more for new HW, and pay more for new SW to gain speed, on top of their already high pricing.

Windoz on the other hand does not, or at least not as often seeing our show computers run on Win 7 Pro, and our studio computers run on Win 10 Pro.

That with the lessor costs and more available SW, Windoz 10 or better seems like a no brainer, aside from the sucky aspect of Windoz, like Windoz Update etc?

P.S. I was a Apple guy until they started obsoleting stuff with OSX.x, and then we switched to Windoz with Win 7, skipped Win 8.x, went to Win 10, and so far have skipped WIn 11, and all the same software still works aside from the newer stuff which requiresd Win 10 and above.

Just sayin' that the Apple carousel gets to be an expensive PITA IMO, though of course it's a somewhat cleaner OS.

Both windows 7 and 10 are no longer supported with security updates

Edit: I was wrong about windows 10, it’s eol this October

 

[paisleywookiee]

Apple obsoletes HW and SW with a lot of their HW/SW upgrades, so pay more for new HW, and pay more for new SW to gain speed, on top of their already high pricing.

Windoz on the other hand does not, or at least not as often seeing our show computers run on Win 7 Pro, and our studio computers run on Win 10 Pro.

That with the lessor costs and more available SW, Windoz 10 or better seems like a no brainer, aside from the sucky aspect of Windoz, like Windoz Update etc?

P.S. I was a Apple guy until they started obsoleting stuff with OSX.x, and then we switched to Windoz with Win 7, skipped Win 8.x, went to Win 10, and so far have skipped WIn 11, and all the same software still works aside from the newer stuff which requiresd Win 10 and above.

Just sayin' that the Apple carousel gets to be an expensive PITA IMO, though of course it's a somewhat cleaner OS.

How much is your Windows system worth after 5 years? Again, people conveniently ignore that the “more expensive” Apple hardware actually has resale value. windows hardware? Not so much.

Also, just priced out a Thinkpad. The same or more than I paid for my MacBook Air. Unless you get a Walmart pile of shit, Mac’s aren’t that much more, if at all.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Not entirely sure. I thought I read they fixed that with the 246GB SSD’s. Still, I’d rather get a 512GB.

I actually think they did fix it.

And fwiw, while I'm pretty much the biggest Apple hater using Macs you will find, and yet, I'd defenitely recommend to stuff the update price for a 1TB SSD into their greedy throats.
Seriously, while 512 are sufficient, in case you're into audio stuff, your system drive *will* fill up one day, even on a stationary machine with options to permanently connect external SSDs. There's just too many things to tinker with to really avoid that, add to this that macOS is caching like mad pretty much all the time, so you want to make sure there's always plenty of headroom. And IIRC, the current recommendation is still to not exceed around 85% of disk capacity, regardless of the size. With 512GB that'd mean you'd better be off with using just a little over 435.

Yes, I'm on a Macbook Air myself, so internal drive space is much more important, but I was still gulping at the horrendous price for the 2TB (and 24GB RAM) update. Yet, I don't even regret that for a second.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Apple hardware actually has resale value

It's defenitely getting worse with Apple continuously shortening their support lifespan.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I actually think they did fix it.

And fwiw, while I'm pretty much the biggest Apple hater using Macs you will find, and yet, I'd defenitely recommend to stuff the update price for a 1TB SSD into their greedy throats.
Seriously, while 512 are sufficient, in case you're into audio stuff, your system drive *will* fill up one day, even on a stationary machine with options to permanently connect external SSDs. There's just too many things to tinker with to really avoid that, add to this that macOS is caching like mad pretty much all the time, so you want to make sure there's always plenty of headroom. And IIRC, the current recommendation is still to not exceed around 85% of disk capacity, regardless of the size. With 512GB that'd mean you'd better be off with using just a little over 435.

Yes, I'm on a Macbook Air myself, so internal drive space is much more important, but I was still gulping at the horrendous price for the 2TB (and 24GB RAM) update. Yet, I don't even regret that for a second.

I’ve been fine on a 512GB.

 

[paisleywookiee]

It's defenitely getting worse with Apple continuously shortening their support lifespan.

Not my experience. I must be a gifted salesman.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I’ve been fine on a 512GB.

Surely possible. Yet, when you do lots of audio stuff over years, things usually add up on the good old system drive.

Not my experience. I must be a gifted salesman.

There's not exactly much "experience", just what they're doing. After 5 years, macOS-version and hardware support (for the more affordable machines) stop.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Surely possible. Yet, when you do lots of audio stuff over years, things usually add up on the good old system drive.



There's not exactly much "experience", just what they're doing. After 5 years, macOS-version and hardware support (for the more affordable machines) stop.

Support goes back to 2018 right now. Additionally, new OS or not, I still get 50-60% of what I paid.
As for audio, it’s been four years on the Mini, and I’ve not exceeded 512GB. Not even close. Then again, I know how to manage data.

 

[djd100]

Both windows 7 and 10 are no longer supported with security updates

Edit: I was wrong about windows 10, it’s eol this October

So, who needs updates, our show and studio computers don't spend much time on the web, and have never had a problem in 30 years?

They're isolated for the tasks they do.

Our admin machines haven't had problems either, but they do get their updates etc as they spend their time on the web.