SoOOoN (Neural DSP Nano Cortex)

[Orvillain]

Looking at Reddit

Like going to the circus to look at the freak show. Ughhhhh.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Jesus fucking christ get to the goddamn point you fucking dolts.

How was lunch yesterday?

 

[laxu]

At least now someone w a size 15 shoe can’t complain

 

[mbenigni]

10 pages already. You guys are killing me.

To make no mention of a 30 minute f***ing video. How are we supposed to keep up??

 

[GTR37]

Whilst we don't know what this is, given the massive, universal success and "everywhere'ness" of the Helix Stomp .... I would have thought some sort of "baby / nano" QC equivalent of the Stomp would have been a total no-brainer and fly out the door (?)

Ben

Well this could be technically a stomp if it has all the amps
5 effects , 5 cabs
Plus amp model and gate and you have 8 blocks
If it’s Bluetooth IOS app controlled
There is your touchscreen

 

[Sascha Franck]

Looking at Reddit where you have a different demographic, it's easy to see why e.g the Tonex One is a hit. It's cheap and sounds good.

I actually just need to look around among folks I personally know. Apart from somewhat nerdier guys, nobody even complains about the abysmal software, UI issues, lack of accuracy or whatever. They're just using the thing. And yes, most of them have pretty good ears.

 

[Orvillain]

I actually just need to look around among folks I personally know. Apart from somewhat nerdier guys, nobody even complains about the abysmal software, UI issues, lack of accuracy or whatever. They're just using the thing. And yes, most of them have pretty good ears.

Working in music tech, I'm basically surrounded by complainers; people who are paid to complain about stuff so that it gets fixed!!!

When you stand back and just observe the end customer, and they're cracking on with it and having a good time, you realise that a lot of the bitching and pontification that internet nerd guitarists and drummers do... a lot of it just dies away in the signal to noise ratio.

Which is probably why it is so hard to get things to change from a users perspective. Because there simply aren't enough people complaining about that ONE thing that for you, kills a product dead.

 

[mbenigni]

WTF did they really have to make a Hollywood movie?

I certainly hope not, because they didn't.

 

[mbenigni]

"Episode 1"

Fuck this. I'm out.

Yeah, who do they think they are? Modeler Wars??

 

[mbenigni]

If the quad cortex is like 1600€, the "mini cortex" will probably be like 1200€
Also it will take 3 years until the first fw update.
And the boot time is going to be 4 minutes.

If it doesn't run the same codebase with autodetection for the host h/w platform, then they've already shit the bed. But I'm hopeful it will. The video is goofy AF, but I still want one of these things if the price is right.

 

[mbenigni]

We must all be Fractal users?

Text documents and VCR controls or GTFO!

 

[mbenigni]

yes, even those of us that isn't... is, just because.

 

[mbenigni]

Hmmm. So they're gonna have a Cortex mini type thing... with a different chasis size and form factor... I'm guessing it will be smaller and have fewer switches.... I think if I am going to get one of these, it'll still be the Quad. A Dual isn't that interesting to me really.

I agree, much of the appeal of the QC - robust I/O, many encoders, etc. - vanishes once you start trying to downsize. I'm only interested because I've already got a QC, and I'd like something similar, familiar, and more affordable that I can take with me while the full-fat QC remains in "octopus mode" in the studio. (HX Stomp doesn't sound as good to me; FM3 is a daunting workflow change and comes with some significant limitations... which may also be true of this new NDSP product... wouldn't it be nice if they'd just *!^&# tell us already?)

 

[mbenigni]

this has been floating around. no idea if any truth to it - or the source..

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Well, that's either not an MFX unit, or it's an MFX unit that will be nigh impossible to operate. No touchscreen, no sale.

 

[bigmenace]

If it doesn't run the same codebase with autodetection for the host h/w platform, then they've already shit the bed. But I'm hopeful it will. The video is goofy AF, but I still want one of these things if the price is right.

Now having seen the "Nanocortex" apparent leak picture I'd say 500-600 would be very realistic.

 

[BenIfin]

Well this could be technically a stomp if it has all the amps
5 effects , 5 cabs
Plus amp model and gate and you have 8 blocks
If it’s Bluetooth IOS app controlled
There is your touchscreen

Re: price .... the full QC is $US 1700. I cant see anyway they would release a $US 1200 unit as it would need to have "most" of the main units features and functionalities and therefore would certainly cannibalize QC sales.

If its a US$600 <-> US $800 that's a great sweet spot ..... but it would be massively stripped back to being maybe just a Capture Player or Plugin and Capture Player.

HX Stomp is $ US 650 ... and apart from its [obvious] Block limit, you get %100 totally absolutely full helix functionality ... astonishing what L6 have done with the stomp.

The more I think about it, I don't think NDSP will do a "HX Stomp".

Ben

 

[mbenigni]

Now having seen the "Nanocortex" apparent leak picture I'd say 500-600 would be very realistic.

I'm still trying to catch up. Haven't seen the photo. I'm thinking anything that would sell at that price point would be too different to run the same codebase as the QC. Or for my comment to that effect to be even remotely relevant.

Or for me to want one.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Which is probably why it is so hard to get things to change from a users perspective. Because there simply aren't enough people complaining about that ONE thing that for you, kills a product dead.

Exactly. And I absolutely understand companies to rather listen to folks actually pulling out their wallets rather than to some nerdy internet forists such as that nasty, always-complaining-anyway Mr. Franck.

Still, in at least some cases, I think companies could make more people happy in case they were listening to more experienced (and I'm not even necessarily talking about myself here) folks before coming up with whatever it might be (see the recent NAM/Dimehead debate, IMVHO a prime example of a company that could've done much, much better by just doing more research). Win-win and all that. Or even win-win-win.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Well, that's either not an MFX unit, or it's an MFX unit that will be nigh impossible to operate. No touchscreen, no sale.

 

[mbenigni]

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I can definitely see where this would have appeal for some players: a small module integrated on a pedal board, and an iPad on mic stand to control it. Especially appealing for set-and-forget scenarios where you get things in order and perform without a ton of changes thereafter.

For a bedroom player who's creating new presets and making edits all the damned time... the devil's in the details, I guess. It makes sense on paper, but 9x out of 10 I get annoyed with needing the extra device (whose battery is always dead LOL), the Bluetooth connection that needs to be re-paired every hour for no obvious reason, etc.

The OG QC is costly, but it's just so damned easy. And I dig reduced footprints as much as anybody, but it's already small enough for me. :)