Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

[Orvillain]

Some people have stated NAM is more accurate for DI and Tone X full amp/cab capture

NAM wasn't designed primarily with amp>cab>mic 'studio' tones, but I think he's working on it.

 

[Mongillo19]

NAM wasn't designed primarily with amp>cab>mic 'studio' tones, but I think he's working on it.

Good to know!

 

[paisleywookiee]

NAM wasn't designed primarily with amp>cab>mic 'studio' tones, but I think he's working on it.

Is the capture process easier to deal with than ToneX’s undergained issues?

 

[Mongillo19]

Is the capture process easier to deal with than ToneX’s undergained issues?

The NAM capture process frightens me but I think it's because I see code and get sweaty

 

[Orvillain]

Is the capture process easier to deal with than ToneX’s undergained issues?

If you know what you're doing and have the equipment, then it is pretty similar. There is an audio file that you reamp through your amp. You take whatever signal from the amp, and record it in the DAW - making sure it is perfectly lined up with the reamp file.

Then you export the recording.

From there, you can run the training algorithm; there is a handy UI app for it too.

There's a cheeky bonus here, because you can do all of your recording in one pass, and then batch train everything later on. You can't do that with ToneX.

And NAM sounds better than ToneX. But I do really like the ToneX captures I did.

 

[Orvillain]

The NAM capture process frightens me but I think it's because I see code and get sweaty

Nah. You don't need to do anything with the code. There is a UI app.

 

[norminal]

This gets a big yawn from me because it lacks innovation. So it basically lets you play Kemper profiles in (yet another) 3-button pedal.

Where is the killer app?

 

[paisleywookiee]

If you know what you're doing and have the equipment, then it is pretty similar. There is an audio file that you reamp through your amp. You take whatever signal from the amp, and record it in the DAW - making sure it is perfectly lined up with the reamp file.

Then you export the recording.

From there, you can run the training algorithm; there is a handy UI app for it too.

There's a cheeky bonus here, because you can do all of your recording in one pass, and then batch train everything later on. You can't do that with ToneX.

And NAM sounds better than ToneX. But I do really like the ToneX captures I did.

I haven’t played with ToneX in awhile; it was aggravating when I tried with the Badlander and Orange, in that almost everything was undergained. Weirdly enough, the best ToneX cap I did was the one of the Triple Crown 100 model on the FM9, using all in the box routing.

 

[paisleywookiee]

This gets a big yawn from me because it lacks innovation. So it basically lets you play Kemper profiles in (yet another) 3-button pedal.

Where is the killer app?

To play devil’s advocate (even though I’m not really a big fan of Kemper) I don’t really have a problem with the idea of them coming out with a compact player, to further profit from their technology. The size fits a niche. I just don’t think the end result is something I’d ever buy, even if I had a toaster or Stage.

 

[TubeStack]

… my #1 problem with profiling/capturing, regardless of whether you like a particular one or not: it makes you dependent on others for tone.

It makes complete sense in the aspect of “I want to take this tone I get from this amp everywhere”,

And there you have it ^^^. Profiling/capturing has given me what modeling could not (yet): a digital version of my real amp that was easy to do and sounds/feels great. No dependence on others involved. I'll gladly take that over 300+ models of other amps that are fun to try but in the end, I don't like as much as my own amp.

 

[DrewJD82]

There are like 40 Liquid tone stacks that effect the profile remarkably similar to the real amps. You can even use the tone stacks with the wrong amps which is fun.

The best part is the gain acts like the amp.

Nope…LP is there to make the tonestack behave like a certain amp, that’s it.
Without it, you can still tweak a profile from the sun to the moon..just not exactly in a fashion that would be possible with the original. So not less…just different.
You can set the tone stack pre or post…whatever you desire..

If I ever find a Stage or Toaster for cheap I’d consider it, but but none of that is appealing enough to pull me away from, again, what I’m already getting exactly what I want from. I can understand why other people dig ‘em, it’s just not the approach I prefer to take. I enjoy dialing things in from the ground up, whether it’s AxeFX presets or drum kits in SD3 or mastering chains on a mix. And my favorite amps utilize the most finicky/interactive controls of any amp known to man.

The fundamental aspect of needing to find profiles I dig before I can even think to tweak them is my biggest issue. In the amount of time it would take to find a single profile to purchase, I can have already dialed it in on the AxeFX I bought 5 years ago.

 

[paisleywookiee]

And there you have it ^^^. Profiling/capturing has given me what modeling could not (yet): a digital version of my real amp that was easy to do and sounds/feels great. No dependence on others involved. I'll gladly take that over 300+ models of other amps that are fun to try but in the end, I don't like as much as my own amp.

That’s totally fair. It’s the only way I’d want to rely on Capture/Profiling, is if I could regularly profile my own amps.

 

[Orvillain]

I haven’t played with ToneX in awhile; it was aggravating when I tried with the Badlander and Orange,

yeah definitely that can be an issue.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

That’s totally fair. It’s the only way I’d want to rely on Capture/Profiling, is if I could regularly profile my own amps.

Have you actually tried Tonocracy for capturing?

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Have you actually tried Tonocracy for capturing?

It is so much better. And assuming people follow the instructions it makes the problem with users having a wide variety of the input gain. So in theory there should be less crappy captures to sort through.
the only problem I’ve found so far is no one is using it to capture. I checked yesterday and it’s been weeks since anyone uploaded a cap!

with TONEX it became my morning routine, get coffee, go audition latest uploads…of course TONEX had 75% of captures were frikken AxeFx or Kemper caps.
Maybe Tonocracy needs to spend some money on generating a buzz. Hopefully they are about to release a nice piece of hardware and can use that as way to get back ‘in the news’.

 

[laxu]

with TONEX it became my morning routine, get coffee, go audition latest uploads…of course TONEX had 75% of captures were frikken AxeFx or Kemper caps.

That's actually what I also hate about it. There's so many Kemper captures that are not marked as such. If I wanted a Kemper I'd get a Kemper. Tonex's Tonenet is just flooded with shitty captures and of course IK is happy with "hey look how many captures we have" but you can't easily weed out the shit.

Kemper of course has the same issue, with something like 100K captures over the years it's impossible for anyone to go through so they default to captures that are popular. I don't know if people have started spamming Tonex captures to Rig Exchange.

Captures are definitely a thing where data management becomes extremely important and none of the products on the market do a good job with it.

Hell, I'd extend that to none of the modelers regardless of tech running them do a good job at data management whether it's presets, IRs or captures.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

It is so much better. And assuming people follow the instructions it makes the problem with users having a wide variety of the input gain. So in theory there should be less crappy captures to sort through.
the only problem I’ve found so far is no one is using it to capture. I checked yesterday and it’s been weeks since anyone uploaded a cap!

with TONEX it became my morning routine, get coffee, go audition latest uploads…of course TONEX had 75% of captures were frikken AxeFx or Kemper caps.
Maybe Tonocracy needs to spend some money on generating a buzz. Hopefully they are about to release a nice piece of hardware and can use that as way to get back ‘in the news’.

Same here, except I scanned only through guys I knew their stuff. But I completely stopped that. Lol

 

[texhex]

Better demo but I wish there was one that showed what all was missing from the default settings on the amp, etc.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Have you actually tried Tonocracy for capturing?

No. It looks interesting, and I like Tom King. But I've been rather busy just with using the FM9T and Helix Native. And I'd rather wait to see what his rate of updates and longer term support is. He doesn't have a great track record, unfortunately.

 

[JasonE]

And there you have it ^^^. Profiling/capturing has given me what modeling could not (yet): a digital version of my real amp that was easy to do and sounds/feels great. No dependence on others involved. I'll gladly take that over 300+ models of other amps that are fun to try but in the end, I don't like as much as my own amp.

This is what I do with my Kemper Stage. I profiled my own amps at the volumes and settings I use at gigs. This allows me to get those tones at lower volumes and lets me record them without blowing the house up with volume. I really only use profiles of two of my amps. One of them is a great clean amp that takes pedals well and the other has great driven tones. That really covers all I need.