Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

[Mongillo19]

point but aren't you working fir a Nesa dealer? So access to your fave amps shouldn't be too hard.

Yeah but as wookie mentioned, Kempers do not profile Mesa amps very well and if they do, it takes a lot to get there

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

So, I watched that whole Player preset video, and it honestly highlights my #1 problem with profiling/capturing, regardless of whether you like a particular one or not: it makes you dependent on others for tone. This is the case even more so with the Player, since it doesn't capture.

On a modeler, if you don't like the stock presets, so what? Read the manual, and get to work.

On a capture/profile device, get to work! Oh wait, you need access to great tube amps that fit your style, you need mics, you need all the recording stuff, ideally. Or, you're stuck finding diamonds in the rough for free captures, or you're paying $10-$40 a pop for capture packs. Suddenly, that $700 Player is $1000. Or more.

I hope to god modelers never go away, if we're to live in a completely digital world. Because as capture/profiling stands currently, it's not there in terms of flexibility.

In practice, I found just running it with a real cab, or subbing in my preferred IR were enough.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yeah but as wookie mentioned, Kempers do not profile Mesa amps very well and if they do, it takes a lot to get there

he was generalizing though and I know high gain is no issue for Nam, Tonex, or Tonocracy...the others i dunno jack about...

 

[Orvillain]

he was generalizing though and I know high gain is no issue for Nam, Tonex, or Tonocracy...the others i dunno jack about...

NAM does high-gain very very well.

 

[paisleywookiee]

he was generalizing though and I know high gain is no issue for Nam, Tonex, or Tonocracy...the others i dunno jack about...

You're not at all getting the point.

 

[Mongillo19]

NAM does high-gain very very well.

Would you be first in line for a well made NAM pedal? I'd be very tempted

 

[paisleywookiee]

Would you be first in line for a well made NAM pedal? I'd be very tempted

either that, or an unfucked capture process on ToneX.

 

[Orvillain]

Would you be first in line for a well made NAM pedal? I'd be very tempted

I'd be tempted for sure. The ideal would be Fractal implementing NAM support, but I don't see it happening.

 

[DrewJD82]

So, I watched that whole Player preset video, and it honestly highlights my #1 problem with profiling/capturing, regardless of whether you like a particular one or not: it makes you dependent on others for tone. This is the case even more so with the Player, since it doesn't capture.

On a modeler, if you don't like the stock presets, so what? Read the manual, and get to work.

On a capture/profile device, get to work! Oh wait, you need access to great tube amps that fit your style, you need mics, you need all the recording stuff, ideally. Or, you're stuck finding diamonds in the rough for free captures, or you're paying $10-$40 a pop for capture packs. Suddenly, that $700 Player is $1000. Or more.

I hope to god modelers never go away, if we're to live in a completely digital world. Because as capture/profiling stands currently, it's not there in terms of flexibility.

This is exactly why I’ve always looked at profiling with a bit of a cocked head. It makes complete sense in the aspect of “I want to take this tone I get from this amp everywhere”, but from the use case of not having any amps to profile of your own and relying on others, I get a massive ‘itch I can’t scratch” vibe from it. My very brief experience with the ToneX software and the profile search just completely turned me off from it all.

 

[Orvillain]

This is exactly why I’ve always looked at profiling with a bit of a cocked head. It makes complete sense in the aspect of “I want to take this tone I get from this amp everywhere”, but from the use case of not having any amps to profile of your own and relying on others, I get a massive ‘itch I can’t scratch” vibe from it. My very brief experience with the ToneX software and the profile search just completely turned me off from it all.

It has saved my booty a few times in the studio. But generally I agree. I think ultimately, I'd rather have a proper full on model of an amp.

 

[Deadpan]

What is this talk of Kemper not profiling Mesa's well?

I am about as much a Mesa fan boy as @JiveTurkey

 

[BenIfin]

Thats why Fractal Audio Systems is the indisputable king in the Amp Modeling realm. They never stop evolving.

Hi Nicolas !

I'm only surprised that it took you so long !

All the best,
Ben

 

[BenIfin]

A thought

=> has anyone else been struck / surprised that so far no-one has hacked the Tonex Pedal Firmware to allow it to load full NAM Captures (?)

Some Comments

=> for Static "Capturing" -again- there is no objective debate .... it is NAM -> Tonex -> Kemper .... NAM and Tonex are extremely close ... and Kemper is a bit further behind.

=> none of this is suggesting or implying one is better or worse for your ears / hands

=> however if accuracy is your goal ... then in software its NAM and in Hardware its Tonex ...period

Ben

 

[paisleywookiee]

Where can we check your YT content so we can take a piss on you also ?

Sweet logical fallacy.

 

[DrewJD82]

What if it had controls that would allow you to dial a gainy marshall sound to a fendry clean?
Some idiots won the “this is true“ race on the internet…and now peeps believe profiles are static things with limited tweakability…it’s utter bs…dial the amp parameters and tell me I’m wrong….
Same idiots gained up a clean profile…sounded bad…and concluded the gain knob didn’t function. Try boasting your clean sound of your tube amp with 20db and see if it makes you happy…

Didn’t they make Liquid Profiles to combat exactly this? And people on the internet don’t change how Mesa knobs work on a Mark amp. A huge, huge part of the reason I went with Fractal is because of that specific thing. From all accounts I’ve heard, Kemper’s tone controls act far more like post-EQ in a recording than actual amp knobs and if Liquid Profiles just do a ‘general sense’ of an amp and not every actual amp, that’s not nearly enough for me to want to drop my entire workflow/experience of already getting exactly what I want from my Fractal stuff.

 

[Mongillo19]

has anyone else been struck / surprised that so far no-one has hacked the Tonex Pedal Firmware to allow it to load full NAM Captures (?)

Seems like people are instead devoting time to creating homemade pedals to run NAM

 

[Deadpan]

A thought

=> has anyone else been struck / surprised that so far no-one has hacked the Tonex Pedal Firmware to allow it to load full NAM Captures (?)

Some Comments

=> for Static "Capturing" -again- there is no objective debate .... it is NAM -> Tonex -> Kemper .... NAM and Tonex are extremely close ... and Kemper is a bit further behind.

=> none of this is suggesting or implying one is better or worse for your ears / hands

=> however if accuracy is your goal ... then in software its NAM and in Hardware its Tonex ...period

Ben

Though I haven't used NAM much I hear that studio captures are less accurate than Tonex.

 

[timbuck3]

Thats why Fractal Audio Systems is the indisputable king in the Amp Modeling realm. They never stop evolving.

I C AN AGREE

 

[Deadpan]

Didn’t they make Liquid Profiles to combat exactly this? And people on the internet don’t change how Mesa knobs work on a Mark amp. A huge, huge part of the reason I went with Fractal is because of that specific thing. From all accounts I’ve heard, Kemper’s tone controls act far more like post-EQ in a recording than actual amp knobs and if Liquid Profiles just do a ‘general sense’ of an amp and not every actual amp, that’s not nearly enough for me to want to drop my entire workflow/experience of already getting exactly what I want from my Fractal stuff.

There are like 40 Liquid tone stacks that effect the profile remarkably similar to the real amps. You can even use the tone stacks with the wrong amps which is fun.

The best part is the gain acts like the amp.

 

[Mongillo19]

Though I have used NAM much I hear that studio captures are less accurate than Tonex.

Some people have stated NAM is more accurate for DI and Tone X full amp/cab capture