Some interesting news from Kemper (Profiler Player)

texhex said:
Better demo but I wish there was one that showed what all was missing from the default settings on the amp, etc.

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I would rather get a stage used if i found one or even new for x amount more $$...if i was into kemper. Or even a used toaster. Nothing i hear wows me more then fractal demos i have listened to
 
timbuck3 said:
hw is a sales man 1st..musician second. Why wont anyone just come out and say its a lame pricepoint for a unit that only PLAYS BACK and doesnt profile. They are all shills. My takeaway so far from this release is just save up and buy a stage or find one used or the toaster for that matter.
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For me, the price point isn't the sticking point. I want them to show me what it does without a lot of the toaster's main features.
I like the size and format. But I need to hear it. I suppose I will have to bite the bullet and order one and see for myself. I can always
send it back, unless you wanna bite the bullet for me, Tim!
 
timbuck3 said:
hw is a sales man 1st..musician second. Why wont anyone just come out and say its a lame pricepoint for a unit that only PLAYS BACK and doesnt profile. They are all shills. My takeaway so far from this release is just save up and buy a stage or find one used or the toaster for that matter.
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Why would you think this can create Profiles?
 
timbuck3 said:
... Why wont anyone just come out and say it's a lame pricepoint for a unit that only PLAYS BACK and doesnt profile. ..
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Some people do. Why won't those people realize that it *is* a great price point for others?
Like someone who sells their Stage (because most of us only use it as a player anyway) and that allowed me to put $625 in the bank and now my player is nice and portable.
 
paisleywookiee said:
So, I watched that whole Player preset video, and it honestly highlights my #1 problem with profiling/capturing, regardless of whether you like a particular one or not: it makes you dependent on others for tone. This is the case even more so with the Player, since it doesn't capture.

On a modeler, if you don't like the stock presets, so what? Read the manual, and get to work.

On a capture/profile device, get to work! Oh wait, you need access to great tube amps that fit your style, you need mics, you need all the recording stuff, ideally. Or, you're stuck finding diamonds in the rough for free captures, or you're paying $10-$40 a pop for capture packs. Suddenly, that $700 Player is $1000. Or more.

I hope to god modelers never go away, if we're to live in a completely digital world. Because as capture/profiling stands currently, it's not there in terms of flexibility.
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That's not been totally my experience with the kemper - granted I tend to use amp only profiles with my preferred IR, but even with full studio profiles I've not really had that issue become a problem.

Coming from mesa mark amps I'm used to eq'ing before and after the amp, and that's the approach I used with the kemper - EQ before the amp block (as well as the deeper amp parameters) to change the feel and response, and EQ after to change the sound of the profile.

You can use the emulated bmt in the amp stack, but this is never as good - if you don't go more than 1.0-1.5 from the default you should be ok, but you're better off eq'ing before and after the amp.

Liquid profiles (for me) have been really useful. I can pull up a liquid profile of an amp, apply my IR of choice and it's not really that different to a modeller at that point.

But granted it does take a bit more work, and the user needs to supply their own IRs and profiles, and I do actually prefer the profiles I made of my mark IV more than almost every commercial profile I've got, so maybe you are right 😅
 
adam said:
That's not been totally my experience with the kemper - granted I tend to use amp only profiles with my preferred IR, but even with full studio profiles I've not really had that issue become a problem.

Coming from mesa mark amps I'm used to eq'ing before and after the amp, and that's the approach I used with the kemper - EQ before the amp block (as well as the deeper amp parameters) to change the feel and response, and EQ after to change the sound of the profile.

You can use the emulated bmt in the amp stack, but this is never as good - if you don't go more than 1.0-1.5 from the default you should be ok, but you're better off eq'ing before and after the amp.

Liquid profiles (for me) have been really useful. I can pull up a liquid profile of an amp, apply my IR of choice and it's not really that different to a modeller at that point.

But granted it does take a bit more work, and the user needs to supply their own IRs and profiles, and I do actually prefer the profiles I made of my mark IV more than almost every commercial profile I've got, so maybe you are right 😅
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That's the thing; I think it's fine if you have your own amp(s). If you don't, it's not ideal IMO.
 
nicolasrivera said:
Its a must have to all Kemper owners. Its going to be a huge success for Kemper.
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paisleywookiee said:
That's the thing; I think it's fine if you have your own amp(s). If you don't, it's not ideal IMO.
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This has been my main mileage with NAM, ToneX as well. It's generally pot luck to land on a profile that feels 10/10 right and when you do it is a great experience. But where captures shine is when you've dialed in the hardware, confirmed the A/B comparison yourself and then going back to that digital capture you know its your idealised setting(s).

If I had to rely on being a consumer of captures only I think it would bug me more than anything. I'd only consider a KPP if I was capturing on another one and needed a slimmer format. Horses for courses I get it, I know others are totally happy sifting through capture packs but its just not for me.
 
Mongillo19 said:
Definitely. But that doesn't mean you can be unclear with that you are getting in a product and implementing a questionable upgrade plan.

The Kemper Player just seems very vague. As @Byrdman mentioned, they aren't being that transparent. You can figure it out by looking at the I/Os but imo it should clearly state this thing does not do profiles and missing some features of the big ones. Almost like a tiered table would be neat.

I still wouldn't like it, but adding in this paid option at launch would be more okay with me as you'd know what you are buying. This does feel very much like a NDSP move to me.
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It clearly says Profiler on the Player unit, hmm if `I ` don`t pay to upgrade, it should just say Player :idk
 
timbuck3 said:
Why wont anyone just come out and say its a lame pricepoint for a unit that only PLAYS BACK and doesnt profile. They are all shills.
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Why don't you start your own YT channel then and promote your own subjective opinions as objective facts? ;)


timbuck3 said:
My takeaway so far from this release is just save up and buy a stage or find one used or the toaster for that matter.
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One day, you may actually follow your own advice... ;)
 
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