So...Can the Kemper Profile Mesa Amps? Let's test it.

[gdhi11]

Nobody here is saying the Kemper can't get the job done.

What is trying to be said is the Kemper does not accurately capture amps compared to the competition it now faces.

Does that mean you need to stop playing your Kemper. No. To be honest, probably 99 percent of the people on this forum (me included) have no idea what a cranked Plexi into a Marshall cab sounds like in real life. So if I buy a profile pack for a cranked Plexi into a Marshall cab, who am I to say "this doesn't sound like my amp"? The kemper is fine if you want to buy 3rd party profiles. But if you want to buy a Kemper to profile your own gear, there are currently better options out there.

100% Agree.

I'm a Fractal user at this point, but it was mostly because the FM9 ticked all the right boxes.

FWIW I had a Tonex too, and I think the Tonex did a worse job of capturing than the Kemper did--but I know of at least one person on this forum who disagrees with me

I have almost no experience with the QC other than having seen one somewhere so that's where my commentary ends.

 

[DLC86]

I'm not translating that.

I'll translate in Sicilian dialect: kemper sucaminchia

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I'll translate in Sicilian dialect: kemper sucaminchia

I actually translated the Kemper post (Kemper Seeks You!!), but I'm not about to translate that...

 

[DLC86]

FWIW I had a Tonex too, and I think the Tonex did a worse job of capturing than the Kemper did-

The big issue with Tonex and NAM is the lack of a reference I/O level for capturing and playing profiles (as extensively discussed on this same forum), so if you don't account for that, the potential gain in accuracy goes out the window

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yeah, mid hump = cocked wah for me.

Have you ever actually listened to a cocked wah? Should I record some bits for you?

 

[JiveTurkey]

The Big Issue With Tonex Is TonexTM

 

[DLC86]

Have you ever actually listened to a cocked wah? Should I record some bits for you?

Come on, don't be picky... we all know (I hope) that a wah is a narrow bandpass filter, obviously a kemper profile isn't that, but often has that mid hump that resembles a cocked wah mixed with the signal. Pretty sure everyone who mentions it means that

 

[Sascha Franck]

Come on, don't be picky... we all know (I hope) that a wah is a narrow bandpass filter, obviously a kemper profile isn't that, but often has that mid hump that resembles a cocked wah mixed with the signal. Pretty sure everyone who mentions it means that

I know what is meant, same is said about Boss' modeling. Just that I really don't exactly agree. If that mid hump was real, I'm sure there'd be graphs. Are there any?

 

[DLC86]

I know what is meant, same is said about Boss' modeling. Just that I really don't exactly agree. If that mid hump was real, I'm sure there'd be graphs. Are there any?

Next time I'll have a kemper in my hands I'll try to produce them, but it might not be an easy task since it could be a by-product of its non-linearities.
Maybe the only one who could do it well and explain why it happens is @FractalAudio

Anyway, don't you hear a difference in the upper-mids between the first and third sample in the OP?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Anyway, don't you hear a difference in the upper-mids between the first and third sample in the OP?

I do hear some kinds of differences, but nothing that'd justify any blank "cocked wah" statements. And fwiw, that's not against you or anyone else in particular, I just don't think that this is much of a thing.
And no, I have absolutely no horse in any Kemper defending race.

 

[Sascha Franck]

If I’m correct @Sascha Franck is a native speaker..so I might get corrected

Your translation was spot on - but in general those seem to be pretty low level jobs, even if they mumble something about a "career".

 

[JiveTurkey]

These options are much better than what I was initially expecting

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

For the native English speakers, a job posting that starts with “Kemper Sucht Dich” at the top sounds…very unappealing. I mean, everyone knows they need to suck up to the boss man, but nobody wants to hired specifically to…

 

[Deadpan]

The mid hump referenced is something different from the cocked wah attack.

The mid hump is kinda like a pervasive EL34 sound. It is many times caused by the profiles having compression and other setting turned up in the amp settings.

I will say it was seemingly more present years ago. This is why I asked the question of has Kemper updated their profiling?

 

[gdhi11]

The big issue with Tonex and NAM is the lack of a reference I/O level for capturing and playing profiles (as extensively discussed on this same forum), so if you don't account for that, the potential gain in accuracy goes out the window

Yeah, very familiar. I never had a capture come out with the gain sounding like the actual amp.

 

[BenIfin]

Sorry ..... but did I miss the reveal of the first post with the 3 clips of the real-amp / un-refined amp / refined amp ?

Ben

 

[Foxmeister]

I'm not translating that.

I like to consider myself a professional lagerist, but not in the literal translation of the word...

 

[Sedaxel]

Yeah, very familiar. I never had a capture come out with the gain sounding like the actual amp.

Very much this.

That´s the big no-go for me for NAM or ToneX, with respect to Kemper or QC (or even Tonocracy, which at least has a standarized gain calibration).

 

[Orvillain]

Yeah, very familiar. I never had a capture come out with the gain sounding like the actual amp.

Yes I agree with this. But increasing the gain is pretty realistic, and the frequency response is much closer than the Kemper, which is what I think matters most.

 

[Deadpan]

Sorry ..... but did I miss the reveal of the first post with the 3 clips of the real-amp / un-refined amp / refined amp ?

Ben

1. Refined with Van Halen type riffs
2. Added heavy palm mutes to the refining
3. Real amp