QC vs Helix

[Orvillain]

It's the exact same with the models on the QC - there's a reason why NDSP products are so popular with the low-tune, chugga chugga community.

And no, it's not the IRs. I actually quite enjoyed the IR block and the stock cabs.

Then please explain why my real amps and Fractal have a lot more low-end to them than the QC models. If anything, I find the Axe3 more "hyped" for lack of a better term. The QC seems pretty neutral and realistic to me, when compared to the 8 or so valve amps I have.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Solution: Sell everything and buy a QC. That "everything" obviously includes your guitars - because you don't need them anyway. A QC is all one ever needs.
Bonus: no time wasted playing guitar.

 

[Sleezy E]

I’ve always wondered what people expect from a tuner that makes the Helix bad in that regard. Tune my guitars down to double drop fuck and I’ve not had issues with it live or at home. I just wish it was an always-on option in native so I didn’t have to run ReaTune(hey guys, I use Reaper, Reaper is the best DAW! Pro Tools? More like SHIT POOLS amirite?!) in front of it recording.

 

[dk_ace]

I've read this before. I think it is just internet forumer waffle nonsense. I don't think it has any basis in reality.

Well, it came directly from L6 engineers who studied it so I don’t think it’s nonsense. You can believe what you want though.

D

 

[Mongillo19]

Well, it came directly from L6 engineers who studied it so I don’t think it’s nonsense. You can believe what you want though.

D

To be fair, any report from FAS/L6 may have some bias to it. Not saying it isn't factual but it's good to remember where the data is coming from.

Same would be said if NDSP made claims about L6 and FAS

 

[Orvillain]

Well, it came directly from L6 engineers who studied it so I don’t think it’s nonsense. You can believe what you want though.

D

Got a quote? Or is this just more half-memory half-truth nonsense?

 

[dk_ace]

Got a quote? Or is this just more half-memory half-truth nonsense?

Is there one? Yes. Am I gonna go dig it up for you? Nope…

D

 

[Orvillain]

Is there one? Yes. Am I gonna go dig it up for you? Nope…

D

Then I'm going to assume you're talking out of your bum! Merry Christmas!

 

[dk_ace]

Then I'm going to assume you're talking out of your bum! Merry Christmas!

You can do that, or you can go look it up yourself. Makes me no difference…

D

 

[Orvillain]

You can do that

Already doin' it mate!

 

[ian_dissonance]

I don't remember if Helix has a strobe tuner option, but if not...that. Even the somewhat visually imprecise tuner on my Hotone is fine to tune the guitar, but e.g Fractal tuner is good enough to set your guitar intonation.

There’s a strobe mode and a couple others. I’ve never felt it to be hard to use or inaccurate, it is ultra precise so if you’re not bang on you can see it, but I’ve never considered that’s bad thing.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] The QC seems pretty neutral and realistic to me, when compared to the 8 or so valve amps I have.

Sounds like we're about to get to the cock comparison. Let's get this out of the way: Mine is small, I don't have a single tube amp.

 

[Shredder777]

Personally, if your putting down over a grand I would not want to invest in an old platform at this point. I think the game is going to change and the Helix platform will need updated hardware and CPU to pull it off.”

You could have made this post in 2022 and it would have been true then. I expect the next Helix to be exceptional, but right now they are just letting new competition get a foothold.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Sounds like we're about to get to the cock comparison. Let's get this out of the way: Mine is small, I don't have a single tube amp.

Do you at least have a custom shop guitar?

 

[Orvillain]

Sounds like we're about to get to the cock comparison. Let's get this out of the way: Mine is small, I don't have a single tube amp.

Then you need to go and buy a JVM.

Not mine.

Ner ner ne ner ner.

 

[Orvillain]

There’s a strobe mode and a couple others. I’ve never felt it to be hard to use or inaccurate, it is ultra precise so if you’re not bang on you can see it, but I’ve never considered that’s bad thing.

It might not be a problem with the tuner itself, but more the refresh rate of the screen, or the internal architecture UI refresh rate. The needle jumps about like a mentalist in an owl costume, and often I end up overshooting when I'm tuning.

I don't have this problem with the Axe3 or QC, or Polytune. Only the Helix. Haven't tried a Boss tuner for a while so can't remember how good they are.

I play in drop-B, drop-C, and I also sometimes drop the C to a G, so GGCFAD.

But hey olive branch... the worst tuner ever invented is the one on the GigRig G3. Such a massive waste of development time!!

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

It might not be a problem with the tuner itself, but more the refresh rate of the screen, or the internal architecture UI refresh rate. The needle jumps about like a mentalist in an owl costume, and often I end up overshooting when I'm tuning.

I don't have this problem with the Axe3 or QC, or Polytune. Only the Helix. Haven't tried a Boss tuner for a while so can't remember how good they are.

I play in drop-B, drop-C, and I also sometimes drop the C to a G, so GGCFAD.

But hey olive branch... the worst tuner ever invented is the one on the GigRig G3. Such a massive waste of development time!!

Whahaha

Damn, so now I need to gas over a tuner. Guitar >> tuner >> helix >> monitors

 

[Mongillo19]

Ooooh... Charts and Graphs Redux

Latest measurements. Purple is Axe-Fx III. Blue is a new thing. Aliasing is especially poor in the high frequencies. Usually the aliasing spectrum is sort of flat (like the Axe-Fx). With this product the aliasing increases with frequency which is odd. Model used was JCM800. All controls...

forum.fractalaudio.com

I thought the whole comparison was FAS with the graph gate

 

[ian_dissonance]

It might not be a problem with the tuner itself, but more the refresh rate of the screen, or the internal architecture UI refresh rate. The needle jumps about like a mentalist in an owl costume, and often I end up overshooting when I'm tuning.

I don't have this problem with the Axe3 or QC, or Polytune. Only the Helix. Haven't tried a Boss tuner for a while so can't remember how good they are.

I play in drop-B, drop-C, and I also sometimes drop the C to a G, so GGCFAD.

But hey olive branch... the worst tuner ever invented is the one on the GigRig G3. Such a massive waste of development time!!

Guess I’m just lucky and haven’t really felt it to be any issue. I had an original Polytune and it struggled hard with anything below A. When I’m talking about double drop fuck I’m talking 10 semitones below that G you’re tuning to.

 

[Lysander]

Then please explain why my real amps and Fractal have a lot more low-end to them than the QC models. If anything, I find the Axe3 more "hyped" for lack of a better term. The QC seems pretty neutral and realistic to me, when compared to the 8 or so valve amps I have.

Well, can't really explain it, as that's the polar opposite from my experience