Potential Mesa Reissues? IIC+ and Dual Rec

[0XI0]

 

[likitlikeyoulikeit]

Legacy Brand

 

[spawnofthesith]

Yeah reissues and looking backwards are totally a new thing for mesa....

https://legacy.mesaboogie.com/support/out-of-production/mark-i.html



https://legacy.mesaboogie.com/support/out-of-production/king-snake.html



*looks at names of the modes on the V and VII*





JP IIC




"lonestar cleans"

 

[Tanax]

The question is why buy this over the JP2C? I thought that was supposed to be a real 2C+ , plus modern features? So it's basically.. if you want to pay almost the same as a JP2C but skip all modern features and with less channels.. you can get the reissue? Maybe I'm missing something.

As for the pricing in Europe, the price in US, if accurate, seems to be the same as the VII, so should be around €4400~ in Europe

 

[SonVolt]

The question is why buy this over the JP2C? I thought that was supposed to be a real 2C+ , plus modern features?

I haven't played a JP2C, but some report that it has a unique voicing that some Mark fans dislike.

 

[Desertdweller]

I haven't played a JP2C, but some report that it has a unique voicing that some Mark fans dislike.

I owned one for 5 years. It’s a great amp. I just prefer the simulclass Marks having grown up playing 2:90s forever. The VII is my preferred Mark, but the JP2C is still an awesome amp.

 

[la szum]

I expected a price almost double this, honestly a little surprised.

Same.

Still not interested, though. I'd hunt out a III or a IIB instead.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Same.

Still not interested, though. I'd hunt out a III or a IIB instead.

Still eyeballing this non GEQ purple stripe. If it sits for another few weeks might jump

 

[Tanax]

I haven't played a JP2C, but some report that it has a unique voicing that some Mark fans dislike.

Really? :O
It's not just that they have the presence pull in the wrong position? I haven't played it either but AFAIK, in one position it's more of JP idealized presence, whereas in the other position, it's more like the 2C+ original.

It's strange if it's different, since it was marketed specifically to be a bona fide 2C+ with both the original circuit and original components? Maybe it was just marketing bullshit but wouldn't that have been debunked once people opened them up and actually confirmed the circuit?

I owned one for 5 years. It’s a great amp. I just prefer the simulclass Marks having grown up playing 2:90s forever. The VII is my preferred Mark, but the JP2C is still an awesome amp.

Mesa noob here, but what is simulclass and why do you prefer it?
Not having played either (I'm in Europe), I also gravitate toward preferring the VII.

 

[TSJMajesty]

what is simulclass

From the Mesa 2:90 Power Amp manual:

Much of the 2:90's huge sound and spongy dynamic feel comes from its patented Simul-
Class operation. For those just now discovering the magic of Simul - a brief explanation is in
order. In late 1982 an experiment in tone shaping within the power section, using esoteric
power transformers and unique power tube wiring configurations, gave birth to the first tube
power amp that incorporated two types of tube power operating simultaneously. These two
types or "Classes" of operation were Class A Triode and Class AB Pentode. The older Class
A style of wiring was popular in the early tweed amps of the 50's and produced a sweet
bubbling and bouncy tone - though not much power. As electric music became more popular,
louder and more powerful amps were needed. Class A wiring was discarded in favor of the
more efficient, cooler running Class AB Pentode wiring scheme. So ended an era of sweet
tweed amps. As we all know, those gems of yesteryear are much sought after today. Well,
both styles of wiring have their advantages; Class A Triode for sweet tone and a spongy easy
to play feel, Class AB Pentode for power, punch and cool reliability. To us, it made perfect
sense to marry all these attributes and combine two simultaneous classes of operation into
one power section. Thus the name Simul-Class . A decade later Simul-Class has powered
three generations of well loved Boogie combos and two generations of tour proven power
amps. The Simul 2:90 Stereo carries on this tradition and improves upon its predecessors.
By utilizing an even better, more "head-like" driver stage, this Simul delivers all the urgency
and soul often missing in some so called "guitar" power amps.

 

[Desertdweller]

Mesa noob here, but what is simulclass and why do you prefer it?
Not having played either (I'm in Europe), I also gravitate toward preferring the VII.

It’s personal preference really. The JP2C is a phenomenal amp and when I played it live in a progressive metal band, it was the one amp that people would come up to me after the show and tell me how much they loved my tone.

Simul-Class is a Mesa-patented design combining Class A with Class AB power amp design. I am not an amp builder and would not be able to go much deeper than that, other to say that the Mark amps specifically that I’ve played that were SC sounded and felt better to me.

I’ll also freely admit that it could be that this is my “home” or default state as I played Simul-Class 2:90s for my first couple decades playing guitar.

 

[ZEN Amps]

The question is why buy this over the JP2C?

For the same reason people want an authentic Les Paul 59 reissue rather than one with modern features.

Tone is only part of the equation when people buy gear - aesthetics, nostalgia, rarity etc. are also big factors (amongst other things).

 

[Tanax]

For the same reason people want an authentic Les Paul 59 reissue rather than one with modern features.

Tone is only part of the equation when people buy gear - aesthetics, nostalgia, rarity etc. are also big factors (amongst other things).

Fair enough.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I like many of their modern features in theory. In practice; I don't like them at all though. Built in load and cab clone IR out are not a bonus to me at all given my experience with them.

 

[Life Eats Life]

I like that it has the pull controls, too

I bet there’s somethin’ funky when you footswitch modes.
Why not one footswitch for all the footswitchable functions instead of two?
Yeah.. that Powetr Suck attenuation sounds like
a bad IR.
A modern day Master Volume for Madison Square Mouse Farts is all that’s necessary.
Likely that Power Soak thingy, someone owns the patent and wants to sell herds of them and they chose it over a Master.
Much like Cheney owning Halliburton
Word.

 

[Badonkey Kong]

Hmm. I'm more excited about this than i should be. Still unemployed! But hopeful...

 

[paisleywookiee]

I like many of their modern features in theory. In practice; I don't like them at all though. Built in load and cab clone IR out are not a bonus to me at all given my experience with them.

This. The older I get, the more I'm like "give me a one or two channel amp. No reverb. No frills. I'll stick it into the load of my choice, if I want to do that." If I were to buy an amp today, it'd be a fucking SLO30, Smallbox 50, or PT20. Nothing fancy.

 

[toneseeker911]

Soldano is doing it right with the Astro and the x88. Mesa needs to get some of that modern stuff in there if they want to revive their tube amp sales.

 

[laxu]

Soldano is doing it right with the Astro and the x88. Mesa needs to get some of that modern stuff in there if they want to revive their tube amp sales.

I don't think they have the knowhow. The Mesas with IR capabilities just integrate the Two Notes embedded board. Soldanos use their own solution, potentially developed in house at Boutique Amp Distribution for the Friedman pedals.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Soldano is doing it right with the Astro and the x88. Mesa needs to get some of that modern stuff in there if they want to revive their tube amp sales.

Mesa has implemented modern features on plenty of newer amps. Putting a bunch of "modern features" in a RI wouldn't make any sense


Also, Mesa isn't hurting for sales, there's nothing that needs to be revived