JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
New 25w Badlander with el84s!
- Thread starter JiveTurkey
- Start date
JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
Little combo and small head look great. Fwiw!
You hate EL84s.
Boudoir Guitar
Rock Star
- Messages
- 3,934
They always do. They always do...
Holden Afart
Roadie
- Messages
- 500
Not an absolute but most times el84 amps don't sound as good as we'd like.
- Messages
- 1,329
I bought the Mini Rectifier when it came out. Oddly only way I could enjoy it was with the volume super low. Somehow it had more lows in relation to the other frequencies this way. Turn it up just a little and it was honky.
I know it all depends on the rest of the circuit but the issue is these lunch box amps tend to have tiny output transformers which from my experience can't bring the low and low mids I like.
I know it all depends on the rest of the circuit but the issue is these lunch box amps tend to have tiny output transformers which from my experience can't bring the low and low mids I like.
JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
I actually am super particular (shocker!) about the BL at low volumes. I don't like it through my V30s at lower volumes at all. I think one of the el84 heads would amplify that tenfold. I really just like the form factor
Holden Afart
Roadie
- Messages
- 500
This one sounds great imo. Took me forever to find this again so if it's not the el84 version you should be able to find it from this clip or pm the dude.
Edit, it's the second video which I actually like better.
Not really my style of music but sounds great
* MYSTERY *
Ladies and gentlemen, behold Mystery! Mystery is an amp of my own design, here is the 1x12 combo version. The preamp is pretty simple with only two 12AX7/ECC83 tubes, and 5 knobs : gain, treble, middle, bass and volume (PPIMV). This is the standard version, the one I use for larger venues...
www.marshallforum.com
- Messages
- 9,668
I actually am super particular (shocker!) about the BL at low volumes. I don't like it through my V30s at lower volumes at all. I think one of the el84 heads would amplify that tenfold. I really just like the form factor
Too many mids?
That’s the issue I have with the Retro 30’s I have in one cab….actually, in both my cabs. Cranked up it works out ok because the low end fills in, but I turn the mids down on both my power amps to counteract it when playing in my living room.
Fireproof
Shredder
- Messages
- 2,326
Re: the form factor... a while back I was geeking out on the little lunchbox amps like the Tiny Terror, etc. After buying 3 different little amps, I realized I wasn’t playing them so I finally convinced myself to move them on….I actually am super particular (shocker!) about the BL at low volumes. I don't like it through my V30s at lower volumes at all. I think one of the el84 heads would amplify that tenfold. I really just like the form factor
JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
Very scratchy and grainy sounding. I need to break them in a bit so there's that. I don't play this cab near as loud. The el84s and associated tonal traits would be a nightmare combination with this cab I am thinking
The EVH 50 watter and the JP2C always gives me hope, though
metropolis_4
Rock Star
- Messages
- 2,923
Wow, I'm definitely interested in this one! I love that they didn't remove the cabclone to hit a lower price point.
With "lunchbox" sized versions of big amps it probably all comes down to how the amp is designed/built.
Cathode biased amps based on EL84s (like Vox) are my all-time favorite amps. I love EL84s.
But when it comes to small versions of big amps where they use EL84s to make it smaller and lower wattage, I feel like it works when you're playing quiet where the power amp tubes aren't really working too hard, but the louder you get the more it starts sounding different than you expect.
Unless there is something else going on in the design of the amp to counter-act that. Bigger transformers or something like that? Mesa seems to do a decent job at this, so there could be hope for the BL
FWIW I hate the sound of V30s at lower volumes with any amp
With "lunchbox" sized versions of big amps it probably all comes down to how the amp is designed/built.
Cathode biased amps based on EL84s (like Vox) are my all-time favorite amps. I love EL84s.
But when it comes to small versions of big amps where they use EL84s to make it smaller and lower wattage, I feel like it works when you're playing quiet where the power amp tubes aren't really working too hard, but the louder you get the more it starts sounding different than you expect.
Unless there is something else going on in the design of the amp to counter-act that. Bigger transformers or something like that? Mesa seems to do a decent job at this, so there could be hope for the BL
FWIW I hate the sound of V30s at lower volumes with any amp
- Messages
- 5,812
Oddly enough the Mini is the only Mesa amp I’ve ever really considered buying. The thing is a little flamethrower. Something about it sat better with me than the bigger amps.
I doubt the average home hack buying them (thinking they are quiet, when they aren’t even remotely quiet) is cranking them to begin with.
- Messages
- 1,329
It's possible they changed things up on them over the years. This was one of the very first. I was coming from Dual Recs at the time.
JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
Mesa Boogie Badlander 25 Head | Reverb
The Badlander is the latest in a long line of iconic Rectifier products that carry the tradition of high performance, high gain forward with tighter low end, a more aggressive midrange character, and enhanced harmonic content. This tonal updating is due to an all-new preamp mated with our t...
reverb.com
Fireproof
Shredder
- Messages
- 2,326
Ahhh … cool!Mesa Boogie Badlander 25 Head | Reverb
The Badlander is the latest in a long line of iconic Rectifier products that carry the tradition of high performance, high gain forward with tighter low end, a more aggressive midrange character, and enhanced harmonic content. This tonal updating is due to an all-new preamp mated with our t...
JiveTurkey
Goatlord
- Messages
- 16,493
Here's the combo from same vendor.
Mesa Boogie Badlander 25 1x12” Combo Amplifier | Reverb
The Badlander is the latest in a long line of iconic Rectifier products that carry the tradition of high performance, high gain forward with tighter low end, a more aggressive midrange character, and enhanced harmonic content. This tonal updating is due to an all-new preamp mated with our t...
reverb.com
