Neural DSP Nano Cortex

[Cellomangler]

Suffice to say , it it sounds good and is fun to play through , does it really matter how the sausage gets made

I agree... but about the sausage...

 

[yeky83]

Yeah, are we rally supposed to believe that Doug or the other developers are cracking open an amp chassis, probing, comparing to schematics, and modeling?

Or is it more likely that they’re mounting TINA to the front panel of an amp and clicking “start?”

Using TINA would arguably take longer to “model” because of how many combinations of knob settings and subsequent captures there are. That’s only speculation when comparing to how quickly someone like Cliff Chase can model an amplifier. But perhaps that’s the reason why it takes so long for NDSP to bring new “models” to their platform.

What's so hard to believe about devs measuring & modeling amps?

The explicit claim with robot modeling automation has been that it takes HOURS INSTEAD OF WEEKS to model amps.
You simultaneously think they're lying about how long it takes, but it also works just as advertised, click-done?

Everything NDSP does points to some sort of capture stitching. Whether they pair that with some other amp modelling for some portion of the final result I don’t know…. But it’s either all capture based or majority capture based, it’s just what’s in line with what they talk about all the time

In comparison to the uafx lion where I’ve watched a bunch of random videos. Multiple times they’ve talked about modelling components, switching things out… the amp they modelled had a bad component which they accurately modelled so they fixed the amp and also fixed the model… that’s the kind of talk where it’s a no brainer it’s component based. I mean they could have lied in a bunch of videos but seems more likely that it’s just what they used.

I JUST POSTED LINKS OF DC TALKING FOR TWO YEARS ABOUT HOW THEY DO COMPONENT MODELING.

Here's another one:
BenIfin: "is it component modeling?"
DC: "listed 50+ amps and 70+ effects are full circuit models"

Neural DSP Quad Cortex

Hi Doug, Most people who have been asking about an Intelligent pitch shifter are actually looking for a polyphonic pitch shifter (like the Digitech Drop pedal), and an intelligent Harmonizer (one where you set the key and mode, like major or minor). Yes to both ;)

www.thegearpage.net

Maybe they do more "capture stitching" as of recent. It seems in line with how NDSP does things, they talk first and do later. They've been talking about it for years but with the introduction of Tina, hey, maybe they're actually doing it now. But that's not the way they've described themselves doing things in the past.

To pretend like they haven't talked about doing component modeling for years... why?

 

[yeky83]

I agree... but about the sausage...View attachment 30532

Spoiler: nsfw?

 

[LCW]

Sorry boys... had to. Someone local was dumping theirs. So I snagged it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What a weird device. Looking classy and dumb at the same time.

 

[LCW]

What a weird device. Looking classy and dumb at the same time.

An odd duck indeed. Fits the needs for now.

 

[mbenigni]

What a weird device. Looking classy and dumb at the same time.

It's got that "it'll never work but I want it anyway" appeal.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It's got that "it'll never work but I want it anyway" appeal.

Well, what I actually meant is condensed in this little part of the pic above:

This picture is really saying *much* more than 1000 words.

 

[LCW]

Well, what I actually meant is condensed in this little part of the pic above:

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This picture is really saying *much* more than 1000 words.

Well to be fair the LED indicate levels of different functions. But it is odd they bothered with the physical line at all.

The LED indicator ring was always something I thought was missing on things like the Boss Katana.

 

[GTR37]

Sorry boys... had to. Someone local was dumping theirs. So I snagged it.

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I actually think it a cool product
If you are a capture guy or want your own amp in a box plus a couple of decent fx fir $550 it not bad at all

 

[LCW]

I actually think it a cool product
If you are a capture guy or want your own amp in a box plus a couple of decent fx fir $550 it not bad at all

Right - it's the price and the amp (captures*) & IRs that was appealing to me. I'm admittedly not much of an FX guy so what's on their is fine for my needs. It will be interesting to see what happens with firmware updates.

* - always thought captures were kind of dumb, but good ones are great and if it keeps size and processing down, it's all good. Most of Neural's in-house captures are pretty good. It's the "community" ones that are hit or miss. But it will be fun to experiment.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Well to be fair the LED indicate levels of different functions. But it is odd they bothered with the physical line at all.

Whatever the LED indicates, the main offender is the analog 270° pot. Which has lost all of its right to exist with an LED readout ring present. Slap endless encoders in and everything is golden. Use standard pots to prove you haven't even sucessfully absolved the "UI design 101" class. And yes, unfortunately I'm serious.

 

[Sedaxel]

I've got mine up and running. Coupled with an ms-3, and with a Celestion midnight 60 speaker (50W solid state Fender Champion 50XL).

At home, it sounds absolutely comparable to my amp (which is incredible, as they have different speakers).

But the real test will be my first gig with it, next Friday.

 

[mbenigni]

Well, what I actually meant is condensed in this little part of the pic above:

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This picture is really saying *much* more than 1000 words.

Yes, good point. But for me it's more generally a matter of, "It's so compact and it looks so elegant... but how the hell am I going to remember what any of this means??"

Having said as much... I still think it's a cool device for those who want to set and forget with a handful of good captures. Or those who want to make captures on the go.

 

[Sedaxel]

Capturing is so easy that makes me don't want to touch NAM ever again. It's almost impossible to do a bad capture in terms of gain.

 

[Sascha Franck]

maybe those are a lot more expensive and would jack the price to far up?

No idea, but the endless encoders of the HX series are like €1.80 or so.

 

[Mongillo19]

Capturing of so easy that makes me don't want to touch NAM never again. It's almost impossible to do a bad capture in terms of gain.

I've never done a NAM capture but the only thing is QC captures do sound different than their reference source. It's very close but idk, it's still an audible difference. Maybe not in the mix tho!

But nothing beats onboard capturing. Much smoother all around

 

[laxu]

Well to be fair the LED indicate levels of different functions. But it is odd they bothered with the physical line at all.

Few brands make their own knob hats. There's what, maybe 20 different options on the market if you ignore color variants, and even then need to pick what is a comfortable size and fits the type of pot you are using.

 

[GTR37]

Yes, good point. But for me it's more generally a matter of, "It's so compact and it looks so elegant... but how the hell am I going to remember what any of this means??"

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Having said as much... I still think it's a cool device for those who want to set and forget with a handful of good captures. Or those who want to make captures on the go.

I don't know maybe I am use to Fractal but that's pretty easy for me since its a fixed chain it can only be
Gate - Transpose- Mod-Delay -Rev, if you could freely assign fx that's a bit more but since you have a choice of five and they group the 2 pre and 3 post effects with the lines over them , I find this product actually really intuitive , if they could have added amp models, I could have lived without the touch screen and 4 presets

 

[LCW]

Found a decent IIC+ capture for my utter love of Master of Puppets.

Playing with the built-in NDSP IRs… there’s actually more to them than simple IRs. Actually have options on mic type, mic distance and some basic EQ’ing. I’m hoping they allow for dual IRs in the future.