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Hmmm... I can't do that, there's no option to do it.
What I see is that the USB-C port in the NC is not host. It doesn't power a WiFi midi dongle. I also tried a regular midi signal (what you call midi device, I guess), with a simple USB MIDI interface, but it doesn't work either (this was expected though).
Also, the smartphone is just a usb host midi device.
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Yeah, but my controllers don't have that option.
Besides, the player has 2 usb ports, one of them is clearly stated as host, so any normal usb controller will work fine.
In this case, the NC doesn't seem to have a host port. Not having power says it all.
Regarding the cable, I used the saber one with the smartphone, and it works perfectly.
Weird.
Anyway, I'm planning to use the trs (it's just that I still don't have a din to trs adapter), but It'd like it to work properly with the usb too.
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You know one thing I find interesting, when Nano Cortex first came out I was hoping it had the amps .
and I mentioned this , to a guy in the FB group after he chimed it it had a bunch of amps , This was before the product and details were released so he obviously knew someone.
I mentioned not captures but real amps to which the response was, "they use the same techniques and amp model is just a large amount of captures instead of one fixed static capture, but it is the same quality."
for instance if you took a setting you like a Freidman HBE, c45 on, voice on eq flat you could basically capture that model at those setting and compared they would be almost identical .
I started to wonder that and then saw this video where he is comparing the Full Amp model with a capture of that and it sounds to me 95% the same , so there may be some weight to the claim that the majority of their amp models , basically being AI captures with some Eq tweaks
if so it stands to reason that you could probably get all the QC models and Plug in models with just getting a good capture of your favourite settings
food for thought
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and I mentioned this , to a guy in the FB group after he chimed it it had a bunch of amps , This was before the product and details were released so he obviously knew someone.
I mentioned not captures but real amps to which the response was, "they use the same techniques and amp model is just a large amount of captures instead of one fixed static capture, but it is the same quality."
for instance if you took a setting you like a Freidman HBE, c45 on, voice on eq flat you could basically capture that model at those setting and compared they would be almost identical .
I started to wonder that and then saw this video where he is comparing the Full Amp model with a capture of that and it sounds to me 95% the same , so there may be some weight to the claim that the majority of their amp models , basically being AI captures with some Eq tweaks
if so it stands to reason that you could probably get all the QC models and Plug in models with just getting a good capture of your favourite settings
food for thought
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I think NDSP has already pretty much confirmed this. They don't use component modeling for their models
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norminal
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I asked Doug when the QC was announced and he confirmed this. They use TINA to turn the knobs in-between captures.
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They all have something or another but only ToneX makes you have three assholes and won’t let you keep more than one clean at a time. Who needs that?!?
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Ehhhhh there's nothing confirmed cus over the years Doug Castro's contradicted himself all the time.
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Why would any other effect be different? Assuming both are algo-based reverbs for example. But none the less, you are assuming that both units use Fractal style 'component modeling'.... which they seemingly don't. Again, i'm not saying one or the other will sound better or "realer" in the end...
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Interesting. So you don't do component modeling for the built-in models the way other competitors do. You're not modeling a circuit board, you're modeling a sound. Cool. We actually do both. It all depends on yields the best/most efficient solution for any given problem.
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Someone was asking repeatedly about expression pedal stuff?
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comes to the modeling forum, "we use both cus it's smart to use component modeling as appropriate"
goes to the media, "it's all AI robot and automation"
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I've got the Nano changing programs via sending program change commands from my Windows PC running the VST host Cantabile. My presets assigned to the foot switches came up as programs 25-28. I sure wish there was a desktop app that would let you just drag and drop to rearrange your presets. It's nice to have an app but only in addition to desktop software. I haven't tried connecting a small keyboard controller/foot pedal that can send program change and I guess that's what you're talking about - controlling the Nano with the USB output from a stand-alone controller. I bet it will work with one of those USB to MIDI host boxes like the Kenton MK3. And there are some cheaper ones out there.
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And on this point specifically, no:
Is this true? Are QC amp models "deep" captures?
Hey everyone! I wanted to chime in that the QC amp models are not several captures combined into one, it’s a different process. 😉
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with the caveat again
That´s the problem... with a smartphone (or a PC, which would be the same) it works perfectly. But with a USB-host box like the Kenton (I have a Dore MIDI which is just the same and works perfectly with all pedals I´ve tried, like Zooms and Valetons) it doesn´t work. That´s what has me surprised. A USB-host box is just like a PC... so Why does it not work?
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Now when I use the Kenton host box - which it looks like the Doremidi box is similar - I'm using it to convert the USB output of a controller to standard DIN/miniplug MIDI on the device I want to control. Sounded like to me you're trying to go from USB midi out on a standalone controller to USB midi in on the Nano. I don't believe that works because the Nano is not a USB host device. I believe you can only go MIDI in via the quarter inch jack when using a stand-alone MIDI controller for changes. You can use a host box when the controlling device only has USB out to convert to MIDI DIN. This is my understanding but heck, I could be wrong.
No, I use a standard DIN midi controller, through a usb-host box (DoreMidi), which converts DIN to USB MIDI to control devices that only listen to computers, or the like.
I've used it that way lots of times, with lots of pedals that supposedly don't listen to midi messages through their usb port.
The NC accepts midi in from computers. Why doesn't it accept them from host boxes (which are, actually, micro computers)?
I've used it that way lots of times, with lots of pedals that supposedly don't listen to midi messages through their usb port.
The NC accepts midi in from computers. Why doesn't it accept them from host boxes (which are, actually, micro computers)?
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Well this is new to me then because the two host boxes that I have, the Kenton and the MIDIplus/Miditech, they only convert from USB to DIN and not the other way around. I believe you also must power the Nano from a 9-volt source when using USB MIDI - at least that's what I had to do.
Yes, of course. The USB port in the Nano would be plugged to a MIDI controller, which doesn´t supply power... so you need to power the NC with the 9V socket.
I would say the midi hosts main purpose is the other way around of that you are saying. allowing DIN midi devices to comunicate to USB midi devices that are not hosts. If you only needed to pair them to a computer/smartphone (which acts as a midi host), a simple $5 MIDI-USB interface (no need for a host box since you´re already connecting to one) works perfectly.
But yeah, the other way around is normal use too, for controlling a classic DIN device with a modern USB controller. BUt, since MIDI controllers that only have USB port (not DIN) are very few in the market, I guess the main goal of the host-boxes is the other one.
