NDSP Quad Cortex

[JiveTurkey]

I don’t get the difficulty or complication at all. On the QC you tap the lane Output and select Row 3 or 4. It’s literally a 2 second process.

This makes MUCH more sense.

 

[Jarick]

The dual path management is one of the few things that is not pretty intuitive to do on the Helix. Without reading to manual you are unlikely to know you can do this or that you should do this. To be fair it's the same deal on the QC because they copied that functionality.

Only other buried thing is snapshots adjusting parameters. There's really no way other than the manual to discover that "hold this knob and turn" makes a snapshot control. I am all for shortcuts like these, because they make it easy for users familiar with the gear. But there should be a second way to do it by just using a menu.

I had no idea about the dual path thing first time I used Helix. I think I learned about it from an early video. That's not necessarily a Helix flaw though IMO. QC basically copied the same routing concept so that was easy to figure out.

One annoying thing with QC is that you can't route from row 1 to row 2 so you can't just have a simple serial chain with more room. There's times QC has enough DSP to run a big signal chain but you need more blocks on the screen.

 

[GTR37]

TBF; I 1000% do not want a digital/modeling device without a screen to see what's going on. I don't care how much silk screened dedicated controls are on said device. I need some sort of menu system.

I think it depends on use
If you use like 5 profile on your Kemper it pretty easy to remember
A: Fender B matchless
C 2204 D5150
E delay
Now if you use 20 profiles without a screen or have a piss poor memory
Then well your pretty much screwed

But I see your point someone in a corporate band that has a 200 song set list would suck
Fluff would probably be ok

 

[Mongillo19]

I am a generation too old for them I love the heaviness but the vocals kill it. And I LOVE extreme vocals. Just dude's particular style I can't get with? I will say between that guitarist and Wes Hauch rundown from a while back; 7 string Ibanez Iceman GAS is a definitely a thing

The vocals were definitely something that grew on me but 100 percent can see why it turns people off. I just can't enough of the j u i c y breakdowns and callouts

 

[mbenigni]

The problem (on the Helix) is for something that for a piece of gear people bend over backwards 15 times over to tell you how easy it is to use; it's not intuitive. At all.

My opinion may be worthless here on account of my being such a nerd. I honestly found it pretty obvious from the get go.

On the other hand, spending 20 minutes setting up channels and snapshots on Fractal will make me foam at the mouth. Different strokes. Or possibly aneurisms.

 

[mbenigni]

Is the QC the same? The HX you have to drop a block on the chain then manually pull it down. IIRC.

I PM'd you on this point yesterday and I'm still not following. Why do you have to place a block on the wrong lane and then "pull it down" to the right one? Why not just put it where you need it in the first place?

IIRC. I went to supposed UI h#ll in FAS land but I just learned how to use it. Everything is generally so obtuse at first glance that nothing really stopped me in my tracks because everything had the potential to stop me in my tracks

So FAS' latest defense is that it's every bit as unpleasant to use as it looks like it's supposed to be?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

On the other hand, spending 20 minutes setting up channels and snapshots on Fractal will make me foam at the mouth. Different strokes. Or possibly aneurisms.

Yeah, I do find figuring out how to do this level of preset configuration in Fractal to be like relearning a foreign language that has two extra letters in its alphabet every damn time. Which is why I just run simple presets and switch amongst them. The Audience Hasn't Noticed My Gaps Yet

 

[Jarick]

For me, I'm not as concerned about the learning curve for the first time I use a product. I'm a lot more concerned with how much of a pain in the ass it is to use after I figure it out.

 

[mbenigni]

This makes MUCH more sense.

But this is basically identical to HX (except the touchscreen makes it slightly easier than the joystick/knob routine. That's what she said.)

 

[JiveTurkey]

Don't make me buy another godd@mn HX to re-remember what about this process drove me nuts To continue the chain; you had to drop a block and pull it down to another lane. Or I am living in a long ago fever dream.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Don't make me buy another godd@mn HX to re-remember what about this process drove me nuts To continue the chain; you had to drop a block and pull it down to another lane. Or I am living in a long ago fever dream.

Go to the output block of path 1 and choose destination input of path 2.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Go to the output block of path 1 and choose destination input of path 2.

Was it where I wanted to split the top path so you had to grab a block and drag it down for that?

 

[mbenigni]

How was Neural just able to copy that interface/workflow functionality? I’m surprised Line6 didn’t have some IP on it and/or try to fight them for it.

The whole, "The UI is identical, Line 6 should sue!" bit is a little overblown IMO. I'm no lawyer, but it's notable that Yamaha/Line 6 hasn't bothered with it.

An MFX unit that displays FX blocks as squares that go from input on the left to output on the right... Find me one recent MFX unit that doesn't (apart from that time Roland went with a Q-bert theme for no discernable reason.) 4 lanes vs. 2 CPU's just happens to be the most obvious presentation of the underlying hardware. Yes, Helix was obviously an inspiration and starting point for that one specific view in CorOS, and probably the hardware architecture itself, but that's it. Maybe the performance screen in Scenes mode? Pretty much everything else about the UI differs fundamentally - again, reflecting differences in hardware (touchscreen, encoders). IM not so popular O, for the better.

 

[Mongillo19]

Don't make me buy another godd@mn HX to re-remember what about this process drove me nuts To continue the chain; you had to drop a block and pull it down to another lane. Or I am living in a long ago fever dream.

Guess you'll just have to buy that QC after all

 

[mbenigni]

Don't make me buy another godd@mn HX to re-remember what about this process drove me nuts To continue the chain; you had to drop a block and pull it down to another lane. Or I am living in a long ago fever dream.

Don't buy another godd@mn HX. Buy a godd@mn QC. It's the same.

@Mongillo19 beat me to it! (Please don't sue!)

 

[JiveTurkey]

Yeah, I do find figuring out how to do this level of preset configuration in Fractal to be like relearning a foreign language that has two extra letters in its alphabet every damn time. Which is why I just run simple presets and switch amongst them. The Audience Hasn't Noticed My Gaps Yet

The final annoyance frontier was on device footswitch configuration. I forced myself to work with it a couple of times when I needed to tweak my transferred gigging presets and it was certainly not fun but do-able.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Don't buy another godd@mn HX. Buy a godd@mn QC. It's the same.

 

[mbenigni]

Was it where I wanted to split the top path so you had to grab a block and drag it down for that?

For parallel processing on one lane, yes, that sounds about right.

 

[JiveTurkey]

For parallel processing on one lane, yes, that sounds about right.

Yep. That was it.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I will say if I put this tone knob-less strat through an HX product; I think I'd have to have a hi-cut at 1.8k or my ears would explode from all the treble