Not at the same time...YOU MANIAC !!It's the natural order of the universe that mbenigni should always want one more QC's than Orvillain wants.
NDSP Quad Cortex
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Well, these two are in, um, parallel. For, uh, testing purposes.Not at the same time...YOU MANIAC !!
I promise not to run them in series. Unless I'm mining for BitCoin or folding proteins or whatever.
Warmart
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You can't know that though, unless you try one. Real amps don't have 78 tweaks.Not dissing the QC but for me there is not enough tweakability to get whatever tone I'm after, I would be limited
While I'm sure its great for tune in a patch and wow it sounds great which is great, its just not my thing
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I think tweakability is the devil, and was my whole problem with the Axe FX II. I couldn't really get a high-gain tone I was super super happy with back in the day. Axe III? Basically since I've had it, none of the tweaks were that essential to me, and it worked just like a real world signal chain.Not dissing the QC but for me there is not enough tweakability to get whatever tone I'm after, I would be limited
While I'm sure its great for tune in a patch and wow it sounds great which is great, its just not my thing
QC? Quite honestly, just for pure amp tones, I've not really come across any scenario where I wished for any of those deeper tweak parameters. The plugins are also similarly instant gratification.
This isn't true for Helix or Amplitube 5 (non-ToneX models) though. Sometimes I do load up one of their stock amps and think "this needs a high-cut in the input EQ, and it needs the bias dropping" type stuff. Helix gives you the two bias controls, which is good. Amplitube 5 doesn't give you anything really. But generally when I use that, I'm just using my ToneX captures for the amp now.
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Well perhaps but this is how it was when I had my Helix, which is not the case with me Fractal
but as i said thats me
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Frankencat
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You guys are pushing me over to the dark side.
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Every time I think, "Wow this sounds great (which is great), but I bet I could make it better by tweaking", I wake up at least one day older.Not dissing the QC but for me there is not enough tweakability to get whatever tone I'm after, I would be limited
While I'm sure its great for tune in a patch and wow it sounds great which is great, its just not my thing
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Buy at least 3.
Buy at least 3.
You first. I'm thinking four for you to have true stereo goodness in the studio and at gigs.
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That's what I tried telling my wife. But she noticed that each of them had stereo I/O.
Eh. Call me when it can do this:
Or this:
Or this:
The depth and definition of the mix, modulation, and tails are leagues beyond anything I ever heard from a QC including your example above. And the Spring Reverb comparison is....well....you get the point.
Supposedly, the promised launch reverbs like the "Interstellar" or "Singularity" reverb would help address this, but we all know how that turned out.
I guess the last refuge is to wait for Black Friday, then stock up on the paid DLC that is the plugins. Those have much better reverbs to my ears, and it should only cost you an extra $200-$300 (with sale prices) to get spring and ambient reverbs that can hang with the big boys.
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My clips in mono into the front of amp, bear in mind.
The reverbs on QC are much more to my taste than the Helix ones. I love the Fractal ones though, especially Cumulonimbus.
I'm not that arsed about spring reverbs. I think they're generally terrible sounding, even hardware ones.
Helix doesn't have a single generation of reverbs, tho. There are three tiers:
- Legacy batch from the HD era (Available at launch 9 years ago)
- HX "ambient" ones (Available six or so years ago)
- Latest generation with "Dynamic" variants and "Hot Springs" (Available 2-3 years ago)
But the third tier smokes anything on QC. The Helix Dynamic Hall is a better spacey, ambient reverb than anything else I've heard on either device.
Spring reverb is a non-negotiable for "vintage" tones of all stripes, IMHO. It can be a lot more than drippy surf/spy pablum. It's great for subtly giving a lived-in feel to funk/jazz/blues tones.
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Which (if any) NDSP plugins have a legit Spring reverb? I had assumed the Morgan suite would have one, but the description on their website is the same generic text as on most (all?) of their other plugins. ("An easy to use studio-grade reverb that covers everything from subtle reflections to infinite ethereal soundscapes.")
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I fundamentally disagree. I've been pulling my punches because I'm very fond of the Helix platform, but there isn't a single reverb in Helix that can get the smoothness of my clip above. I'm dissatisfied with nearly all of the reverbs on there, and it is a huge reason why I started exploring other platforms. Dynamic Hall sounds grainy, artificial, metallic, and all around not as good as the Mind Hall on QC.
Ears hey!?!
Nothing wrong there, sir. We hear what we hear.
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I think there are good (and bad) reverbs in all three tiers. I was disappointed that the Hot Springs wasn't capable of sounding more like an actual spring. It's more of a character verb, and it never really did much for me. "Tier 2" (i.e. launch HX tech) had a lot of good stuff, but you had to work at it, usually picking an over-complicated reverb and dialing out the modulations to find a good core tone underneath.
QC isn't fancy (and the spring sux) but I can usually just throw a hall or a plate on, turn the mix and delay knob, and be happy.
Axe III/ FM9 reverbs are incredible. If the FM3 had gotten the new spring, I might have kept it for that one trick alone.
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Adding this new Fractal multi-effects to Helix, or QC, or Kemper, or your UA amp-stompo board, or your tubescreamer homage board, etc etc etc..... gonna be a winning combination!
