Jarick
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Speaking of plugins, has anyone shoot out plugin vs stock QC amps yet? I wonder how much non-plugin clients are missing out - or not.
Just the Plini stuff and it’s different but not better. More options.
Speaking of plugins, has anyone shoot out plugin vs stock QC amps yet? I wonder how much non-plugin clients are missing out - or not.
Port the plugs they said. It'll be straightforward and good for the end user, they said.
Yeah and the criticism of them not being a 1:1 GUI I thought was well known for years lol they also pumped the idea of them being blocks you can mix and matchIt's amazing how 99% of the criticism of the QC is related to one thing they promised before launch.
He actually managed to get it right the second time…
The GUI critique as it relates to “compatibility” is silly, but you could argue without the ability to sync presets between the two they aren’t compatible in the purest sense of the word. It’s just content.
Which ultimately doesn’t mean shit if nobody cares.
I don’t think they can every truly be compatible in that sense, because on the QC you can mix and match gear, change the routing and do all kinds of things that aren’t possible with the plugin.
Guessing at this stage, people are using their QC in different contexts to where they’d use a plugin and therefore would prefer to build presets incorporating aspects from the plugin but in a format that suits how they use the HW. Otherwise you’d just use the plugin?
It's amazing how 99% of the criticism of the QC is related to one thing they promised before launch.
this just seems mental to me, but people just have an insatiable appetite for more. Although my guess is the number of NDSP plugin users FAR eclipses the number of QC owners, and likely always will.I’d guess Neural is about to sell a shitload of plugs to QC owners that will never install, much less use, the actual plugin. It will just be additional content for QC users imo
Otherwise you’d just use the plugin?
True, but I can’t imagine anything in the plugins is complex enough to make it a pain to just recreate manually within about 2 minutes. and you’d likely want to tweak it at least a bit for live use (or with a cab/other guitar gear), let alone setting up scenes and other switching etc.Well, the overall idea of PCOM is that you can run your plugins live in your QC.
In that sense, i'm kinda surprised by plugin -> QC preset conversion not being a thing yet. That part should be the easiest part of the equation.
this just seems mental to me, but people just have an insatiable appetite for more. Although my guess is the number of NDSP plugin users FAR eclipses the number of QC owners, and likely always will.
this just seems mental to me, but people just have an insatiable appetite for more. Although my guess is the number of NDSP plugin users FAR eclipses the number of QC owners, and likely always will.
True, but I can’t imagine anything in the plugins is complex enough to make it a pain to just recreate manually within about 2 minutes. and you’d likely want to tweak it at least a bit for live use (or with a cab/other guitar gear), let alone setting up scenes and other switching etc.
All of that is to say it probably requires more than 2 minutes of manual tweaking just to bring it over, then a good amount of manual testing to make sure it sounds identical to the original preset.
Unless NDSP is being honest about providing a bunch of native QC content as well. And in a timely fashion.It’s silly, and if anything counter to your own self interest to buy these solely as QC content, but let’s not kid ourselves, the average QC owner is going to buy a ton of these only for the “added content” aspect. IMO
This. But I do think most users aren't as black and white between HW users vs plugin users. Maybe for NDSP more than any other company, there is going to be a good bit of crossover. (saying that my friend with the QC said he has barely used the plugins since getting the unit so maybe I'm just out of touch).It’s silly, and if anything counter to your own self interest to buy these solely as QC content, but let’s not kid ourselves, the average QC owner is going to buy a ton of these only for the “added content” aspect. IMO
I mean, there's trying to rebuild the entire plugin into a single preset, and then there is porting presets. How many presets regularly use every single pedal/amp/cab/fx/transpose/doubler etc? For porting presets over, if 1:1 compatibility is a priority, I don't see any reason not to use all 4 lanes and have things spread around. Any preset that is using that ALL of the FX all at once (including the dreaded doubler) is something I don't think I even want to hear, let alone play. I never really think of any NDSP plugins being so complex with their routing and included gear that it wouldn't be straightforward to recreate.The base structure of any NDSP plugin is a pre-pedalboard of 3-to-4 effects + amp model + eq + cab + post slab of 2-4 more effects. So presets can and do routinely have 9-11 blocks active. (and that doesn't count the Gate, Transposer and Doubler, which have to go somewhere on the QC grid)
The max a QC single lane can hold is 8 blocks. So any sort of automated translation scripting would have to account for how to split up 8+ block presets and which lanes to add the excess to. It would also have to guess where to place the Gate, Transposer and Doubler on the grid for exact fidelity).
All of that is to say it probably requires more than 2 minutes of manual tweaking just to bring it over, then a good amount of manual testing to make sure it sounds identical to the original preset.
Which ultimately doesn’t mean shit if nobody cares.
Unless NDSP is being honest about providing a bunch of native QC content as well. And in a timely fashion.