Line 6 Helix Stadium

[EOengineer]

Whether that clip is a Sansamp through an IR, Helix, Fractal, or Agoura…it sounds better than my memory of the Helix Plexi. I’ll have to revisit it in Helix. It’s one of the models I never use. Can’t wait to get my hands on the new stuff.

 

[James Freeman]

DOES IT HAVE A BRIGHT CAP?

 

[BenIfin]

DOES IT HAVE A BRIGHT CAP?

Now THATS a good one James - I was NOT expecting it :)

The Internet has a winner today :)

 

[GTR37]

DOES IT HAVE A BRIGHT CAP?

I would say yes , it plenty bright

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Just thinking out loud, but I'd like to see Proxy run its own captures (or fork) of NAM that are tied to L6's ecosystem and take advtange of being able to control things a bit.

But it would also be great if they have a tool for converting or retraining NAM models into that format. IMO that would be the best way to support NAM models with some degree of consistency. The conversion tool could even handle calibration metadata and adjust models to work within Stadiums constraints. Some amount of (potential) accuracy trade off is worth it to be able to run models on the device itself.

 

[molul]

Some amount of (potential) accuracy trade off is worth it to be able to run models on the device itself.

I can easily see people complaining about that, and I think they would be right to do so.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

I can easily see people complaining about that, and I think they would be right to do so.

Why's that? Some NAM models struggle to run well on the fastest and most powerful computers - would users expect these to run on HW?

Even as it stands HW implementations of NAM like Dimehead can't run hyper accuracy models (for example). There's always going to be a ceiling of what its possible to run. Quite often those last few % of accuracy simply don't matter to most users in most situations.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Now - lets play a game .... how long before this clip is posted on the Fractal Forum

Fractal shut down the Stadium thread and said post somewhere else, so I’d say never. Stadium is a forbidden subject there now, even in The Lounge.

 

[eggpl@nt]

Now - lets play a game .... how long before this clip is posted on the Fractal Forum and the posts read along the lines of "my Axe Standard was nailing this years ago" ..... "typical junky L6 tones" ..... "totally plastic sounding" .... "terrible Top End" ... "dynamically flat" ... "no different to the current Helix' .... "not even 2D sounding" ..... "Cliffs going to eat Agoura for breakfast" .... "its clearly been post processed and it still sounds like a bad Boss tone" .... blah blah blah etc....

 

[eggpl@nt]

Fractal shut down the Stadium thread and said post somewhere else, so I’d say never. Stadium is a forbidden subject there now, even in The Lounge.

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Thank dog. Now Ben can finally talk about something else.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Thank dog. Now Ben can finally talk about something else.

Other than Stadium?

 

[eggpl@nt]

Other than Stadium?

No, other than the Fractal forum and that particular thread.

 

[EOengineer]

DOES IT HAVE A BRIGHT CAP?

Jokes aside, one thing I’ve not seen or heard mentioned yet in the product features is the ability to bypass those input bright caps on the Marshalls.

I realize that might sound absurd given the years long dust up trying to get the bright caps, but there are use cases. If I had the ability in a snapshot to have a cleanish Superlead with the bright cap on and then switch snapshots into the bright cap being bypassed and hitting the amp with a fuzz or drive that would honestly be a pretty big win and something I wish I could do on my actual Superlead.

 

[BenIfin]

Thank dog. Now Ben can finally talk about something else.

No, other than the Fractal forum and that particular thread.

But its my job man

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

But its my job man

I don't know, man. Don't much care what they have to say about Stadium or Line6 in general. But of course they're going to justify the goodness of Fractal on their own forum. And why wouldn't they? It's really good. The ones that aren't going to bother with any other gear have their reasons. The rest of us can have our own fun.

All that aside, I get that Fractal wants the discussion on their own forum to be about their own products, but policing the Lounge too? That's maybe a bit too much. Makes even a Fractal fan like myself steer clear of that place.

 

[Calaban]

All that aside, I get that Fractal wants the discussion on their own forum to be about their own products, but policing the Lounge too? That's maybe a bit too much. Makes even a Fractal fan like myself steer clear of that place.

I am also a Fractal fan. Absolutely love my FM9 and use it every single day. But the Fractal forum and most Fractal fanboys are just about the most fragile user base I have ever encountered.

I have a Stadium coming this winter. It will live happily alongside my FM9 and I will love both of them equally. I good product is a good product. I suppose it’s possible I will end up enjoying the Stadium more due to its UI, and I suppose it’s possible I may decide the Fractal amp models sound better. I think the former is more likely than the latter. Modern amp modeling all sound pretty good to me.

 

[dk_ace]

Jokes aside, one thing I’ve not seen or heard mentioned yet in the product features is the ability to bypass those input bright caps on the Marshalls.

I realize that might sound absurd given the years long dust up trying to get the bright caps, but there are use cases. If I had the ability in a snapshot to have a cleanish Superlead with the bright cap on and then switch snapshots into the bright cap being bypassed and hitting the amp with a fuzz or drive that would honestly be a pretty big win and something I wish I could do on my actual Superlead.

One of my favorite amp features in fractal is being able to adjust the bright cap value. While the huge stock cap has a certain trick to it, for general playing I like a much smaller cap value. The values I prefer are pretty close to what was in the helix plexi model IIRC. The big cap has this extra trash/static type of stuff around the note when you back off the guitar volume or hit it with certain drives and boosts that I just can’t go for. No cap loses the vibe for me too.

If you can’t adjust the cap value, you’re
damned any way you go. Big cap, people will say they hear squirrels still. Small cap, people like James will roast them for missing the full Marshall experience. No cap, a lot of us will complain about it being too dark and missing the sparkle and kerrang of a plexi.

D

 

[JiveTurkey]

I am also a Fractal fan. Absolutely love my FM9 and use it every single day. But the Fractal forum and most Fractal fanboys are just about the most fragile user base I have ever encountered.

I have a Stadium coming this winter. It will live happily alongside my FM9 and I will love both of them equally. I good product is a good product. I suppose it’s possible I will end up enjoying the Stadium more due to its UI, and I suppose it’s possible I may decide the Fractal amp models sound better. I think the former is more likely than the latter. Modern amp modeling all sound pretty good to me.

You were definitely a treat in the TGP QC shitshow.

Signed, Fractal Fanboy.

 

[Calaban]

You were definitely a treat in the TGP QC shitshow.

Signed, Fractal Fanboy.

Oh you mean when I looked at things objectively and made fun of you guys for your unhinged Fractal Fanboi takes?

I’m glad you were entertained!

 

[Fireproof]

Oh you mean when I looked at things objectively and made fun of you guys for your unhinged Fractal Fanboi takes?

I’m glad you were entertained!

What do you mean by “you guys?”