Line 6 Helix Stadium

[Whizzinby]

 

[timbuck3]

I agree with you, but only when you are talking to yourself

Whatever

 

[timbuck3]

Jesus, and people say I’ve got multiple accounts. At least I’ve got just one personality.

Huh? It looks cool but why the rush to want it? When it’s gonna be around for a while.? It’s not rare or anything.. how’s that multiple personalities

 

[Digital Igloo]

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Here, I'll make this easy for you:

OG Helix/HX is technically unfinished right now, because we still have future plans for them. So according to your arbitrary guidelines, Helix Floor shipped over a decade early. And had we waited until it's 100% finished (that is, sometime in the future), some of the products you mention (plus others) might not exist at all. At the very least, they'd look and operate very differently.

 

[BenIfin]

New Helix, Kemper + Fractal forthcoming...

Yes to the first two ... probably X years for the 3rd unless something has been confirmed in the last day or so - and I don't mean Cliffs "game boy post" :)

I could be wrong, but there is nothing anywhere from Fractal that even hints that a next gen product is even on the near horizon.

 

[timbuck3]

Yes to the first two ... probably X years for the 3rd unless something has been confirmed in the last day or so - and I don't mean Cliffs "game boy post" :)

I could be wrong, but there is nothing anywhere from Fractal that even hints that a next gen product is even on the near horizon.

Fractal will have something new of course… they are a business so that’s how it goes right?
What it will loook like is anyone’s guess but it will likely have 300 models and effects at launch

 

[BenIfin]

I find this post interesting on fractal forum… and logical

baron55​

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Line 6 is owned by Yamaha which is a publicly held company. Publicly held companies spend minimum and try to maximize profits. They will not spend the money to make a great product. Instead, they will spend the minimum amount and try to market it to the masses.

Look at the Helix, they milked that dry with all those silly variations. Helix, HX FX, Helix Light, FX stomp, FX Stop XL, Helix One.

A good indication of quality modeling is to take a preamp model into the real power amp of that amp. It should sound the same when the controls are set like the real amp. Fractal was the first modeler that I ever found this to be true. Line 6 not even close. I have many of the real amps that Fractal models. And they are dead

re: this L6 slag-post - just goes to prove the point that there are f*ck-knuckles in every Product forum

On what level was this bag of bullshit post "interesting" or "logical" Tim ?

Just playing the trolly-provocation game.

F.F.S.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Just playing the trolly-provocation game.

 

[timbuck3]

Who is hating? If someone is bummed about releasing unfinished just wait or buy and grow into it or with it. It looks cool and slick for sure but the real proof will be in the tones and maybe not the effects cause line6 has pretty much same effects in the og helix and this so if you like helix effects they will be there again..
the gui is slick as will likely be the looper and form is sleeker then the og. Great designs for sure.
I have no hate or love of it yet. But I respect slick design

 

[LP59]

@Digital Igloo You mentioned Proxy could be trained on non-audio sources. What's an example of that?

 

[BenIfin]

Now this is freakin' GOLD I tell you :)

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

@Digital Igloo You mentioned Proxy could be trained on non-audio sources. What's an example of that?

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

 

[AlbertA]

Huh? It looks cool but why the rush to want it? When it’s gonna be around for a while.? It’s not rare or anything.. how’s that multiple personalities

Whatever

 

[LP59]

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

You would think if they could build a starship that travels across the galaxy, that they'd be able to build a language model that lets him say "Hot Earl Grey Tea".

 

[BenIfin]

Who is hating? If someone is bummed about releasing unfinished just wait or buy and grow into it or with it. It looks cool and slick for sure but the real proof will be in the tones and maybe not the effects cause line6 has pretty much same effects in the og helix and this so if you like helix effects they will be there again..
the gui is slick as will likely be the looper and form is sleeker then the og. Great designs for sure.
I have no hate or love of it yet. But I respect slick design

Not this time Tim.

You didn't answer:-

=> how was you posting that bag of bullshit post from the Fractal forum "interesting" or "logical" to you ?

On any reading of the original post -and- your "re-posting" of it, you were clearly and unambiguously shitting on L6 for some unknown reason.

When playing that game, you own it, like it or not, so don't pretend otherwise.

 

[James Freeman]

So far what I've seen from the promo material is it's not a lot more than a Helix+ with some UI updates, I would have wanted to see a complete overhaul of the Amp parameters and interaction, ie. a nicer interactive graphical representation of the amp where you can change the amp view back/front and tweak the virtual knobs etc.

The red sliders are so 'Helix', I thought 10 years was enough time to evolve from that.

 

[BenIfin]

So far what I've seen from the promo material is it's not a lot more than a Helix+ with some UI updates, I would have wanted to see a complete overhaul of the Amp parameters and interaction, ie. a nicer interactive graphical representation of the amp where you can change the amp view back/front and tweak the virtual knobs etc.

The red sliders are so 'Helix', I thought 10 years was enough time to evolve from that.

Not sure I agree with you here James.

The current OG Helix is already so easy to use and set up that for me - the big ticket item is the sound-tone-feel - as yet %100 unknown - everything else is nice-to-have cream and gravy to me

In this vein, D.I has repeatedly stated, in public, that the new Augora Modeling Engine and Process has nothing at all to do with [even the most] recent HX Engine and Process - to the extent that he wrote above that they ground up "Augora Modeled" the most recent new HX modeled Amp additions [like the 2203 and other newies] to verify the significance of the new tech - which to them proved the new approach was significant and obvious.

Their track record in the last 10 years has been one of "not shitting" on competitors, never leaking or pre-hyping upcoming stuff or FW's and under promising and over delivering.

I big time respect this.

As such, I respectfully disagree with your statement that "it's not a lot more than a Helix+ with some UI updates".

But that's just my 2c :)

 

[James Freeman]

As such, I respectfully disagree with your statement that "it's not a lot more than a Helix+ with some UI updates".

I meant visually. It looks like the same old Helix.
The 2D Focus slider is a begginers feature and will get less use than Line 6 thinks in my opinion.

I guess my biggest concern about next gen is Line 6's approach to modeling and updating existing models, what I see in the promo material is they didn't update the same old parameter slider with Sag, bias, hum, ripple... these parameters are from the Pod HD era.
What about changing virtual tubes, impedance curves, output tap mismatching, lower mains voltage, etc. things I can do with a real amp, I would have wanted something that is a little more evolved than a Pod HD++ or a Helix+.

 

[BenIfin]

I meant visually. It looks like the same old Helix.
The 2D Focus slider is a begginers feature and will get less use than Line 6 thinks in my opinion.

I guess my biggest concern about next gen is Line 6's approach to modeling and updating existing models, what I see in the promo material is they didn't update the same old parameter slider with Sag, bias, hum, ripple... these parameters are from the Pod HD era.
What about changing virtual tubes, impedance curves, output tap mismatching, lower mains voltage, etc. things I can do with a real amp, I would have wanted something that is a little more evolved than a Pod HD++ or a Helix+.

Gottchya :)

From prior comments, that stuff is all there, the just choose not to "expose" it to users. Given their world-wide massive user base, I could only imagine the support issues it would causes if people changed stuff - it sounded crap - and then asked for support or bagged-out on the Company.

Its a totaly "no-win / no-win" situation.

But I do get that for experienced and knowledgeable tweakers like yourself, how accessing them would be both cool and potentially useful :)

 

[Digital Igloo]

I meant visually. It looks like the same old Helix.
The 2D Focus slider is a begginers feature and will get less use than Line 6 thinks in my opinion.

Focus view is for both beginners and power users. Did you not watch the keynote?

I guess my biggest concern about next gen is Line 6's approach to modeling and updating existing models, what I see in the promo material is they didn't update the same old parameter slider with Sag, bias, hum, ripple... these parameters are from the Pod HD era. What about changing virtual tubes, impedance curves, output tap mismatching, lower mains voltage, etc. things I can do with a real amp, I would have wanted something that is a little more evolved than a Pod HD++ or a Helix+.

Short answer: Our customers have different wants and needs than Fractal customers. And remember—you're looking at what we've chosen to divulge and no more. Complaining about what you think it might not have might be considered... premature.