Line 6 Helix Stadium

[OneEng]

I think it’s more that sound quality should be a given, it won’t really be possible to distinguish between them, so it won’t be the deciding factor like it might have been on current gen. But yes, it has to sound at least as good as an AxeFX or NAM Hyper Accuracy or NDSP plugins or whatever comparable product you like the sound of. I don’t see why that won’t be achievable.

I believe that all of the top contenders have more than sufficiently good sound quality; however, there are always people that prefer one or the other, or compare digital analysis of the different devices. I do tend to agree with you that "good tone" is a given at this level today.... or at least it is expected .

That is COMPLETE nonsense!!!!! I work with plenty of businesses that put a LOT of money into developing the best products they can because they believe in the long run it will make them money. Some of them are spending billions of dollars, a few I have worked with in just the last few years are spending 10's of billions of dollars.

There are a LOT of companies that DO NOT want to compete on price selling the cheapest commodity crap to the masses. They feel like the profits are lower at the low end and Chinese cloners are going to win at that anyway, so they want to create premium products for those willing to pay more for quality.

If you think all businesses are trying to make a profit by selling the cheapest junk to the masses, perhaps it is the businesses you have been supporting, and a look in the mirror is in order.

@Orvillain, Thanks for quoting this. I missed it.

I develop products for a living. I suspect that this one likely cost in the neighborhood of 5-10 million to develop and that is on the back of what they already had. It would cost a great deal more if you had to start from scratch.

Product management 101 gets you to your statement and is taught the world over. Line 6 DOES offer low end products, but this one isn't one of them. Just like you can get an inexpensive PRS ..... or a REALLY expensive PRS. That really high end product isn't expected to sell in the volumes that the less expensive one is; however, it will likely have better margins AND it provides marketing for the lower end products that "come along for the ride".

 

[KingsXJJ]

Everybody seems happy getting their hands on a new product whether finished or not and writing a blank check to Line 6 for releasing it as it is. That’s not cool with me so I am labeled as a dumbass. Really.

We don’t need new effects, they’ve been developing them for ten years!
It does have some new effects! They just never told anyone until now! You’ve already got the “new” effects in your old box!
Ok, we do need new effects but we’re willing to wait!
Line 6 can’t be expected to research and develop a complete product and ship it when the market is ready for it! That would take planning and unrealistic resources that YGG just doesn’t have! It would take years and years! But they’ll release the new effects in just a few months!

I expect more from Line 6 especially since Yamaha acquired them. I’m not a dumbass for that. I’m betting Line 6 would prefer to ship with a finished product but can’t because there current platform is getting ancient and competition never sleeps.

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

 

[Orvillain]

Everybody seems happy getting their hands on a new product whether finished or not and writing a blank check to Line 6 for releasing it as it is. That’s not cool with me so I am labeled as a dumbass. Really.

We don’t need new effects, they’ve been developing them for ten years!
It does have some new effects! They just never told anyone until now! You’ve already got the “new” effects in your old box!
Ok, we do need new effects but we’re willing to wait!
Line 6 can’t be expected to research and develop a complete product and ship it when the market is ready for it! That would take planning and unrealistic resources that YGG just doesn’t have! It would take years and years! But they’ll release the new effects in just a few months!

I expect more from Line 6 especially since Yamaha acquired them. I’m not a dumbass for that. I’m betting Line 6 would prefer to ship with a finished product but can’t because there current platform is getting ancient and competition never sleeps.

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

You're talking as if this new product is some piece of shit straight to Amazon for 30 dollars not even as good as Mooer type of thing.

You are the dumbass. The assiest of dumbs. If weight lifters lifted asses instead of dumb bells, your face would be on the cheeks.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.
""Your mom shipped unfinished""



Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

ftfy

 

[Lysander]

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

I think you're being misleading here. Line 6 told you exactly how the Helix Stadiums will ship. If you don't like it, sure thing, don't buy it - in fact, never buy a device based on future promises, from any manufacturer.

There's at least one unit in that list notorious for being the complete opposite.

 

[dk_ace]

There’s always the option that I take: don’t buy a modeler until it has all the things you want. If they release it without what you want, wait.

D

 

[Mikael Dez]

 

[ian_dissonance]

Everybody seems happy getting their hands on a new product whether finished or not and writing a blank check to Line 6 for releasing it as it is. That’s not cool with me so I am labeled as a dumbass. Really.

We don’t need new effects, they’ve been developing them for ten years!
It does have some new effects! They just never told anyone until now! You’ve already got the “new” effects in your old box!
Ok, we do need new effects but we’re willing to wait!
Line 6 can’t be expected to research and develop a complete product and ship it when the market is ready for it! That would take planning and unrealistic resources that YGG just doesn’t have! It would take years and years! But they’ll release the new effects in just a few months!

I expect more from Line 6 especially since Yamaha acquired them. I’m not a dumbass for that. I’m betting Line 6 would prefer to ship with a finished product but can’t because there current platform is getting ancient and competition never sleeps.

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

You’re confusing “always in progress” with “charging people to be beta testers”. This isn’t going to be a QC situation where they have to go back and edit the pre-release marketing stuff and the wait 4 years for shit they advertised on preorder to START showing up. Or a TMP situation where they literally did the modeling wrong to work proper with IRs (and obviously didn’t even listen to some of the early models). Or some sub $500 thing from Amazon that is “finished” because it will be abandoned for new hardware in 24 months.

 

[timbuck3]

There’s always the option that I take: don’t buy a modeler until it has all the things you want. If they release it without what you want, wait.

D

I agree… just wait there will be plenty available for years anyhow…same with tmp… just wait till fender adds more stuff

 

[timbuck3]

I agree… just wait there will be plenty available for years anyhow…same with tmp… just wait till fender adds more stuff

I mean why the rush to get one if you already have 1-4 modelers you use and like

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I mean why the rush to get one if you already have 1-4 modelers you use and like

I agree with you, but only when you are talking to yourself

 

[dws2384]

Everybody seems happy getting their hands on a new product whether finished or not and writing a blank check to Line 6 for releasing it as it is. That’s not cool with me so I am labeled as a dumbass. Really.

We don’t need new effects, they’ve been developing them for ten years!
It does have some new effects! They just never told anyone until now! You’ve already got the “new” effects in your old box!
Ok, we do need new effects but we’re willing to wait!
Line 6 can’t be expected to research and develop a complete product and ship it when the market is ready for it! That would take planning and unrealistic resources that YGG just doesn’t have! It would take years and years! But they’ll release the new effects in just a few months!

I expect more from Line 6 especially since Yamaha acquired them. I’m not a dumbass for that. I’m betting Line 6 would prefer to ship with a finished product but can’t because there current platform is getting ancient and competition never sleeps.

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

Yet you’ve been yapping nonstop with a completely different tone in the fractal speculation thread. Funny that nothing has been released at all other than cliff stating that they’re working on it and you’re already giddy like a schoolgirl about all the things you imagine it will come with. But that’s TOTALLY different right?

Did some dude with a POD bang your girlfriend or what?

 

[TubeStack]

Everybody seems happy getting their hands on a new product whether finished or not and writing a blank check to Line 6 for releasing it as it is. That’s not cool with me so I am labeled as a dumbass. Really.

We don’t need new effects, they’ve been developing them for ten years!
It does have some new effects! They just never told anyone until now! You’ve already got the “new” effects in your old box!
Ok, we do need new effects but we’re willing to wait!
Line 6 can’t be expected to research and develop a complete product and ship it when the market is ready for it! That would take planning and unrealistic resources that YGG just doesn’t have! It would take years and years! But they’ll release the new effects in just a few months!

I expect more from Line 6 especially since Yamaha acquired them. I’m not a dumbass for that. I’m betting Line 6 would prefer to ship with a finished product but can’t because there current platform is getting ancient and competition never sleeps.

Quad Cortex shipped unfinished.
Fender TMP shipped unfinished.
Kemper MKII shipped unfinished.
Line 6 Stadium shipped unfinished.

Line 6 crowd: Yay! This is perfect and completely what I need! Thank you so much! Great job!

I’m not the dumbass.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I mean why the rush to get one if you already have 1-4 modelers you use and like

Jesus, and people say I’ve got multiple accounts. At least I’ve got just one personality.

 

[ChordInversion]

I'm probably finalizing my next job in the next couple of weeks. Then I'm going to preorder a Helix Stadium. I'll then wait for November. Once I see Fender drop an update with a small number of "everybody else already had these" amps (or maybe they'll have one that's all Blues Junior variants), some trippy pedals I don't use, and one more "we swear it's perfect now" attempt at scenes, I can sell it.

Talk about selling an unfinished product.

 

[Mongillo19]

Jesus, and people say I’ve got multiple accounts. At least I’ve got just one personality.

I envision Tim just doing a voice to text chat with himself

 

[holoholo]

 

[norminal]

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

 

[AlbertA]

You're talking as if this new product is some piece of shit straight to Amazon for 30 dollars not even as good as Mooer type of thing.

You are the dumbass. The assiest of dumbs. If weight lifters lifted asses instead of dumb bells, your face would be on the cheeks.