Line 6 Helix Stadium

[JiveTurkey]

I for one was hoping for this to be recorded on Mt Vesuvius

 

[SeeD]

Why is there a picture of the model/amp but when they turn the knobs, the picture/settings/knobs on the model stays the same..why? Why not let the user see the settings on the model/amp/pedal. It`s just a `nice`picture ??

 

[Fireproof]

Oh man that sounded so good. Great playing with some good dynamics. I can’t wait.

Now do high gain

Yeah I want to hear this as well. As you said - it’s likely coming at some point.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the off set images... they don't look that great to me.
I'd rather they looked square on and were functional, or not at all.

I'm sure others may feel different, but that's not my cuppa tea.

 

[Tritium3H]

It almost seems to me that Line 6 deliberately “nerfed” their Focus view/mode, just because they didn’t want to be accused of copying Fender’s skeuomorphic design on their Tone Master Pro (TMP).

If so, then that is a shame, as the GUI on the TMP is bloody brilliant (plus the TMP sounds absolutely amazing).

Besides, it is not like other manufacturers haven’t “borrowed” liberally from prior Line 6 innovations.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] the TMP sounds absolutely amazing). […]

Am I right in thinking that you like sweet pickles?

 

[mikah912]

TBH I'm not a huge fan of how Focus View looks like. Don't get me wrong, I think the feature is great. But the picture of the amp seems counterproductive to me. It doesn't reflect the actual settings of the model, but it makes the cursor (well, it's a circle, but you know what I mean) harder to see. Furthermore, I enjoy numbers. I want to see them, I want to be able to enter them (yes, it's a little quirk of mine). It seems to me that this isn't possible for the x/y coordinates in Focus View, am I right?

Not quite.

You see the numbers in Focus view as you're changing everything. If you want to "enter" a number, you tap the parameter at the bottom of the screen, and then Focus View changes to a giant slider of just that parameter along with a description of what the parameter means and the effect of raising and lowering it will have.

 

[Lysander]

It almost seems to me that Line 6 deliberately “nerfed” their Focus view/mode, just because they didn’t want to be accused of copying Fender’s skeuomorphic design on their Tone Master Pro (TMP).

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[Tritium3H]

Am I right in thinking that you like sweet pickles?

Besides the Fender TMP, I currently own a Fractal FM9T AND a Kemper PoweRack. They, likewise, sound absolutely fantastic. Nonetheless, Fender absolutely nailed it, with their TMP, both on the modeling front (tone/feel/dynamics) — as well as their innovative user/GUI/workflow experience.

And I prefer zesty dill/deli style pickles, with some kick. Not a fan of sweet-style / butter pickles.

 

[Velvet Skin Underarm]

Why is there a picture of the model/amp but when they turn the knobs, the picture/settings/knobs on the model stays the same..why? Why not let the user see the settings on the model/amp/pedal. It`s just a `nice`picture ??

I didn't even notice and probably won't ever notice again. The values are underneath.

 

[ian_dissonance]

The pictures are just there to try to get some of the guys with the drool bibs over from the Turdblaster Pro

 

[mikah912]

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Was just about to summarize this. I totally agree with DI's take here. I realized the folly of "full" skeuopmorphic amp modeling UI when I went insane trying to adjust the smallest parameters on amp heads in Overloud TH-2/TH-U however many years back.

I had a TMP for several months, and the only adjustment that made sense was turning the footswitches that would have the parameter written out in the scribble strip above them. Stadium XL has a muuuuch more information-dense approach where I can adjust the same number of parameters as TMP (8) at the same time but also see all my scenes or stomps or presets (or a mixture of them) too.

 

[Digital Igloo]

TBH I'm not a huge fan of how Focus View looks like. Don't get me wrong, I think the feature is great. But the picture of the amp seems counterproductive to me. It doesn't reflect the actual settings of the model, but it makes the cursor (well, it's a circle, but you know what I mean) harder to see. Furthermore, I enjoy numbers. I want to see them, I want to be able to enter them (yes, it's a little quirk of mine). It seems to me that this isn't possible for the x/y coordinates in Focus View, am I right?

Huh? What would those numbers show you? Moving the slider can change 32 or more different parameters, each with their own value ranges and special zone-based scaling (and eventually, user will be able to change settings—and therefore ranges and scaling—per zone), and you see those values right there in the inspector, where they're actually controlled. Sounds like you think Focus view is something it's not.

It almost seems to me that Line 6 deliberately “nerfed” their Focus view/mode, just because they didn’t want to be accused of copying Fender’s skeuomorphic design on their Tone Master Pro (TMP).

Please stop inferring nonsense. Line 6 did skeuomorphic panels that represented real gear before anyone else in MI, way back in '98 with AmpFarm (and much of our software editors and plugins, all the way up to Metallurgy do it too). Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Hell, Zoom's been doing per-model skeuomorphic panels in hardware for a decade or more:

As @Lysander 's quote pointed out, the disconnect between turning a knob and then having to resolve that with a cluster of pixels in a completely different part of the screen is a problem. It slows you down and quickly becomes a point of friction, whether you think it's "cool" that the little knobs move or not.

We moved past the goofiness of circa-2004 GarageBand with wooden side panels on the Arrange window back with iOS7 in 2013. Good riddance.

 

[Tritium3H]

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Respectfully, that sounds like some seriously weak-sauce of an explanation/justification, IMHO.

It also sounds tailor-made to respond to potential criticism or questions as to why Line 6 decided not to follow and expand upon an innovation and arguably a potentially new industry paradigm, established by another competitor.

Believe me, I am NOT taking anything away from Line 6…as they have been on the bloody cutting-edge of digital amp modeling from the beginning, and have more “We Did It First” achievements than probably everyone else put together.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Respectfully, that sounds like some seriously weak-sauce of an explanation/justification, IMHO.

It also sounds tailor-made to respond to potential criticism or questions as to why Line 6 decided not to follow and expand upon an innovation and arguably a potentially new industry paradigm, established by another competitor.

Believe me, I am NOT taking anything away from Line 6…as they have been on the body cutting edge of digital amp modeling from the beginning, and have more “We Did It First” achievements than probably everyone else put together.

What industry paradigm is that?

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Huh? What would those numbers show you? Moving the slider can change 32 or more different parameters, each with their own value ranges and special zone-based scaling (and eventually, user will be able to change settings—and therefore ranges and scaling—per zone), and you see those values right there in the inspector, where they're actually controlled. Sounds like you think Focus view is something it's not. [...]

I do understand what Focus view is. And as I clearly stated, I know my inner urge to be able to enter numbers is quirky. So that wasn't really meant as criticism. What I did criticize was the amp graphic in Focus view, which seems a little bit pointless and distracting to me.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the angled look, and even if you can’t adjust knobs with your finger I’d still rather see the gear graphics update with turning knobs. I just find it way more intuitive to look at than the sliders, all while a big beautiful graphic is staring at you.

Pretty sure L6 would have experimented on this stuff and landed on it for a reason though, particularly for how it is to operate rather than how it looks. But I’m not sure I dig it based on what i’ve seen, feels like a missed opportunity

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

I could watch lava flows all day long. There are few (if any) things in this world more fascinating than erupting volcanoes.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I do understand what Focus view is. And as I clearly stated, I know my inner urge to be able to enter numbers is quirky. So that wasn't really a criticism.

Okay, but again, exactly what number would you be entering? Moving your finger could adjust one parameter by +34.2%, another by -9.8%, another by +12.7%, another by -67.6%, all the way up to every parameter in the block. And it's not linear, because the X and Y axes are independent.

For numerical values, you can type in values for any individual parameter from its parameter panel: Tap the parameter, tap the keypad icon, type your value, tap Done.

 

[HotRats]

Why is there a picture of the model/amp but when they turn the knobs, the picture/settings/knobs on the model stays the same..why? Why not let the user see the settings on the model/amp/pedal. It`s just a `nice`picture ??

I guess that would be a waste of resources for a not so useful feature.

And also, are you sure focus view is changing only parameters on the front panel? I bet is not, at least not always.