Sascha Franck
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Yeah - cool idea even. But seriously, I would actually never do that.
Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk
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Yeah - cool idea even. But seriously, I would actually never do that.
You can do that now just by plopping a looper at the front of the chain — but in an eventual update, you'll be able to add a dry clip to a preset for tweaking, similar to the clips in the factory presets.
Sascha Franck
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I know all that (the pre-looper option was already existing in the old HX series and I used it a lot), but I was really explicitely curious about an integration into Showcase, which would allow in-context patch editing, something I always had to use a DAW and either HX Native or re-amping for.
fiftyshadesofslay
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My turn to get pissed at the Helix Stadium now. For some reason updating is utterly painful.
Spent about 30 minutes downloading the update on my Mac and got this…
But if I try and download it on the Helix itself I get this and it never changes…
Any ideas? WiFi works fine for everything else. Why did it download it on the app if I can’t send it to the Helix?
Spent about 30 minutes downloading the update on my Mac and got this…
But if I try and download it on the Helix itself I get this and it never changes…
Any ideas? WiFi works fine for everything else. Why did it download it on the app if I can’t send it to the Helix?
I got my unit today and since I couldn’t log in on the device (a generic 123456 code was showing which got me nowhere, and the QR code didn’t appear.)
I downloaded the Line 6 Central software and connected via usb c. Then the firmware notice popped up there and I got the XL up to 1.2 (and could also log in!)
Are you also connected via usb C?
Are you signed in on the hardware itself? Check that first and then try downloading on the hardware again. The update on the app should be for the app itself.
fiftyshadesofslay
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Definitely signed in to the hardware device. What’s Line 6 central? I have the Helix Stadium app on my Mac.
Connected via WiFi, don’t think you can connect to the app via USB currently?
Connected via WiFi, don’t think you can connect to the app via USB currently?
There’s an app called line 6 central (I’m on Mac so don’t know if it’s there for windows) and I had to do everything over usb C since I couldn’t log in before updating. Give the cable a shot
fiftyshadesofslay
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fiftyshadesofslay
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In other news, It's still sounding pretty good to me. Haven't noticed anything weird going on with Agoura, though I haven't gone for crazy high gain yet. Dirty sounds all work fine for me.
Did a quick test of the old and new 2203. The riff goes round four times, alternating between the old and new 2203 each time. Any idea if the Agoura is 1 & 3 or 2 & 4? Same settings on both amps, same IR used, all on the device.
For my money there are subtle differences but both sound good. I like the sound of one of them a bit better but the other one feels and reacts much better and is nicer to play.
Did a quick test of the old and new 2203. The riff goes round four times, alternating between the old and new 2203 each time. Any idea if the Agoura is 1 & 3 or 2 & 4? Same settings on both amps, same IR used, all on the device.
For my money there are subtle differences but both sound good. I like the sound of one of them a bit better but the other one feels and reacts much better and is nicer to play.
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MirrorProfiles
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Just listening on AirPods atm but I like 2 and 4 best. Sounds bigger in the low end and a bit gainier (almost like 1 and 3 were played softer by comparison).
ian_dissonance
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Hearing all these clips that sound great and then seeing all the graphs that say it’s not makes me glad I no longer give a flying fuck about what “real” amps sound like, lol. Did Stadium get the Flux feature from the HX One?
Mongillo19
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I get the sentiment but if I'm spending $2000+ on a device, I want it to be as accurate as possible. If I was just worried about good sounds, you can pull just about any digital unit off the shelf for much cheaper and be content with good tone.
Richard_G
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But that’s not what those graphs say, and I actually think the people providing those graphs and other data points have been pretty clear that this is an accuracy issue, not that the current Stadium amps can’t sound great.
AlbertA
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You can connect app through USB-c explicitly only for updating only. I did the 1.1 update that way actually.
ian_dissonance
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I get it. Totally. More or less glad I personally don’t worry about it as much anymore.
Probably, I think I remember at least one person saying their enjoyment of as diminished even though the sounds were great.
I have zero doubt (and lots of clips here!) that it sounds great. I’m still very interested in getting back into the Helix universe depending on how some of the extra features shake out over a few more firmware updates. There is a lot of stuff in that $2k right now that I already have solutions and redundancies for in the places that I would use something like Showcase or the I/O box (which I’d need to cross grade everything for shows). I think it looks like a super sick, great sounding device.
Richard_G
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I totally agree. And there are lots of things besides the sound that look great, i.e. the UI/UX. I’d still like the amp modeling to be as close as possible to the reference amps as a starting point.
I’m looking forward to seeing how the Stadium line develops, both in terms of new firmware and new hardware (especially a Stadium Stomp heir).
BenIfin
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Im going 2 and 4 are Agoura ..... but with a degree of certainty of about %3 :)
Dimiguitar
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I think some people want amp sims to sound bang on to real amps because they're essentially building a digital archive of sorts. You don't wanna sacrifice accuracy if that's the goal.
But there's also others who desire amp sims to be more accurate because they, for whatever reason, generally prefer how real amps sound and feel like. That's the case for me too. There can be exceptions, but that's my wider sentiment.
To that, it can be said that you only realize these "deficiencies" if you make explicit comparisons. So you shouldn't make comparisons. This reminds me of Kirk Hammett electrocuting himself when he'd touch the amp. "Don't touch it then", Bob Rock told him.
I think the point about not making comparisons is an interesting one. There's domains in life where I think explicit comparisons are essentially a form of ideological sickness. But I don't know if this applies to amp modellers. Maybe in some rare cases it partly can.
All that said, I think there's several cases where you don't need to explicitally make comparisons to feel something's off. It's certainly harder but not impossible. And maybe the differences between stadium sims and real amps are too small to be perceptible this way -- or maybe they are/can be for some.
(And say these inaccuracies translate into tone and feel these folks aren't entirely on board with).
But there's also others who desire amp sims to be more accurate because they, for whatever reason, generally prefer how real amps sound and feel like. That's the case for me too. There can be exceptions, but that's my wider sentiment.
To that, it can be said that you only realize these "deficiencies" if you make explicit comparisons. So you shouldn't make comparisons. This reminds me of Kirk Hammett electrocuting himself when he'd touch the amp. "Don't touch it then", Bob Rock told him.
I think the point about not making comparisons is an interesting one. There's domains in life where I think explicit comparisons are essentially a form of ideological sickness. But I don't know if this applies to amp modellers. Maybe in some rare cases it partly can.
All that said, I think there's several cases where you don't need to explicitally make comparisons to feel something's off. It's certainly harder but not impossible. And maybe the differences between stadium sims and real amps are too small to be perceptible this way -- or maybe they are/can be for some.
(And say these inaccuracies translate into tone and feel these folks aren't entirely on board with).
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