Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[Deadpan]

 

[HotRats]

Just did a comparison with my Jubilee. For some reason I believe they are doing this on purpose, as I am getting the same differences as with the 5153.

Lack of highs and honky mids on the Agora vs the real amp.

I don't have the helix stadium so I can't comment about how ti sounds but given your and other trusted users reports I can't warp my head around it.
What's the point of doing that delibertely? There no reason.

More likely that there's an issue somewhere, an isssue that has to be an unexpected bug that was not present prior to the release, otherwise we (and line6) have to question their new methodolgy.

I can't belive that no one at line6 and in their beta testing cricle noticed it if it's so obvious.

 

[Mongillo19]

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Is the red line the amp and the gray with more mids and less high the model?

 

[HotRats]

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can you add the db scale, just understand how much is the visual difference.

 

[Deadpan]

Is the red line the amp and the gray with more mids and less high the model?

Yes

 

[Mongillo19]

I don't have the helix stadium so I can't comment about how ti sounds but given your and other trusted users reports I can't warp my head around it.
What's the point of doing that delibertely? There no reason.

More likely that there's an issue somewhere, an isssue that has to be an unexpected bug that was not present prior to the release, otherwise we (and line6) have to question their new methodolgy.

I can't belive that no one at line6 and in their beta testing cricle noticed it if it's so obvious.

Im not sure deliberate is the right word?

All these companies would love their amps to match one to one. A few thoughts though:

• Amp modeling isn't easy
• Not all discrepancies in EQ graphs can be audible. Although in this instance, it seems that it is audible.
• Just because it isn't accurate doesn't mean it sounds bad. The point of this discussion is accuracy though so it fits the topic at hand imo.

I doubt L6 set out to make a new modeling engine with reduced highs and honky mids when compared to the real thing

 

[EOengineer]

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Thanks for providing the data point for us. This is definitely in line with some of the stuff @MirrorProfiles has contributed to the thread and I think helps add weight to what some of us are experiencing in terms of the unexpected spectral differences.

It’s really hard to describe what’s happening because generally Agoura feels so awesome to play, but you can see how this would present as darkness/mud audibly, and probably also contributes to the blunted attack @JiveTurkey was talking about early on.

 

[GTR37]

Thanks for providing the data point for us. This is definitely in line with some of the stuff @MirrorProfiles has contributed to the thread and I think helps add weight to what some of us are experiencing in terms of the unexpected spectral differences.

It’s really hard to describe what’s happening because generally Agoura feels so awesome to play, but you can see how this would present as darkness/mud audibly, and probably also contributes to the blunted attack @JiveTurkey was talking about early on.

It a fairly substantial difference in that graph , so it not surprising that it hard to match the real jubilee
That said it does not necessarily sound bad but it strange
I always thought of HX as inherently brighter than Fractal but now it seems Stadium is moving more in the opposite direction
I am also curious if it could be the impedance

 

[Deadpan]

I am also curious if it could be the impedance

I ran the reamp via SPDIF to avoid that issue on the Stadium.

I thought the same until Mirror did reamps with Helix and others that sounded almost identical to the real amp and only Stadium was wildly different.

If there is an issue with my SPDIF routing I would be glad to find it.

However, with @Orvillain having issues also, it adds to the case.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

The way Stadium works, every parameter needs to be in the inspector so you can assign it to controllers or snapshots. Focus view isn't an alternative to the inspector, it's an enhancement to it.

You could also just leave the 2C+'s EQ flat and add an EQ > Cali Q Graphic block, which has graphic sliders in its Focus view.

It definitely makes sense why they are the way they are, although push pulls and toggles on amps (and even deeper parameters like ripple and hum) aren’t things I would ever really find myself assigning for external control.

Some kind of customisable view where parameters can be hidden or moved to touch only would be quite cool. Although it’s also the kind of thing that can just make things more bloated and complex when trying to apply it to a system that’s so developed already.

I still think that at some point down the line there’s room to modernise that side of things but I absolutely concede that it’s not easy to do at all without sacrificing something else (that’s probably been in the software for ages and part of many peoples workflow).

 

[JiveTurkey]

Thanks for providing the data point for us. This is definitely in line with some of the stuff @MirrorProfiles has contributed to the thread and I think helps add weight to what some of us are experiencing in terms of the unexpected spectral differences.

It’s really hard to describe what’s happening because generally Agoura feels so awesome to play, but you can see how this would present as darkness/mud audibly, and probably also contributes to the blunted attack @JiveTurkey was talking about early on.

TBF; the OG had the ROUND attack to me wayyyyyyyy back. I always felt like I was fighting that and a perceived lack of gain?

 

[DrewJD82]

Hats off one more time to Line6, because Showcase looks incredible.

Showcase is why I want one. I’m currently making backing tracks for this acoustic duo I’m doing and I don’t want to put any acoustic guitars on the tracks, I’m trying to shy away from putting any guitars at all on them but the only way I’ll be able to pull off what I want to do is utilizing a looper to hold the rhythm down while I solo.

I haven’t watched all the video, but am I correct in assuming that the Looper flags are for turning the looper on and engaging the loops? If that’s the case then this is a no-brainer. I just wish it had dual XLR in’s, as I’d automate both our vocal mics with effects, maybe I can find a work around somehow.

While I’ve never been a “one trip” guy when it comes to gear, in this case we’re going to be hauling a small PA w/ a big ass sub just for the backing tracks, so I don’t want to be dicking around with a looper pedal, vocal effects pedal, mixers, etc. Showcase can eliminate all that and condense it into one box.

 

[Deadpan]

can you add the db scale, just understand how much is the visual difference.

The max difference is -12 db.

 

[HotRats]

The max difference is -12 db.

my lord. that's a huge difference

 

[EOengineer]

It a fairly substantial difference in that graph , so it not surprising that it hard to match the real jubilee
That said it does not necessarily sound bad but it strange
I always thought of HX as inherently brighter than Fractal but now it seems Stadium is moving more in the opposite direction
I am also curious if it could be the impedance

Impedance curves seem like a reasonable place to start digging.

 

[Dez]

Be sure to ask the guests what they think about the new Stadium models, maybe treat them with some A/Bing

 

[Dimiguitar]

Be sure to ask the guests what they think about the new Stadium models, maybe treat them with some A/Bing

Have done that several times with Kemper. You just need to find the right time for it.

 

[Dimiguitar]

And I think some people prefer such high end cut. Personally, I would rather be in control of this though.

And present it as a nice exercise/group activity. Hey wanna test your ears?!

 

[Dez]

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It's interesting to me that the EQ shape is relatively the same, just increased/decreased - is that normal?

 

[mbenigni]

And I think some people prefer such high end cut. Personally, I would rather be in control of this though.

Seems like just the sort of thing (among others) that the "Hype" control would dictate. It's almost as if Hype were starting at a non-zero minimum value.