Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

As we come up on a month since some of us got our hands on a Stadium XL, is everyone still enjoying the unit? Is the honeymoon over or is this a permanent relationship 😂

I'm still really enjoying mine. I think the tones I get from the stadium sound really good on their own but when I drop them in to a mix, they take it up a notch. Idk if it's sprinkling in the hype knob or what. The feel is really good and so is the UI. I don't use focus mode for the amps much at all but I definitely do for effects.

The cabs are really good and am often happy with the Mesa V30. I'll be curious if the new modeling engine makes its way to cabs.

Anyway, I think Line 6 knocked it out of the park. I am bummed about some of the bugs but hey, we got it earlier than expected and I trust L6 to smooth them out.

I will admit I fall under the "IT'S LINE 6, IT IS INFERIOR" mindset sometimes. You go on to listen to a YT video and those type of comments are plentiful. It makes me second guess my ears 😂 however, every time I fire up the stadium it brings a smile to my face! I can only imagine how this will develop and I look forward to it!
 
I'm digging it -

- The search is great - type a Brand and boom a bunch of related amps/cabs/FX depending where you are
- The small but useful "Based on a <amp/pedal/etc>" is great - I don't have to go searching up a wiki to get the correlation
- The built in little tidbit about what each parameter does
- The very very helpful undo function - so straightforward
- The auto assignments for switches where I don't even have to think about stuff there's a switch assign to it - works wonders for small presets
- I didn't have to read anything on the manual on snapshots - It all made intuitive sense and was able to set up a few snapshots pretty quickly
- Uploading IRs where you can just create folders and subfolders - keep everything organized as you want it - that's very neat too
 
You go on to listen to a YT video and those type of comments are plentiful.
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I'm digging it -

- The search is great - type a Brand and boom a bunch of related amps/cabs/FX depending where you are
- The small but useful "Based on a <amp/pedal/etc>" is great - I don't have to go searching up a wiki to get the correlation
- The built in little tidbit about what each parameter does
- The very very helpful undo function - so straightforward
- The auto assignments for switches where I don't even have to think about stuff there's a switch assign to it - works wonders for small presets
- I didn't have to read anything on the manual on snapshots - It all made intuitive sense and was able to set up a few snapshots pretty quickly
- Uploading IRs where you can just create folders and subfolders - keep everything organized as you want it - that's very neat too
All of these QoL improvements are as exciting to me as the (presumed) upgrade in tone. I've made no secret (even on this forum, even in this thread LOL) of the fact that I love the way my QC sounds, but little things like searching for content often seem more difficult than they need to be. (Even the Undo feature is somewhat borked after 5 years.) Really looking forward to checking out Line 6's latest efforts with UI/UX.
 
If I'm being honest I'm in a confusing place with Stadium at the moment. All the positive feedback about the UI and hardware is totally valid, but I'm just not sure how important that is to me when weighed against other functionality.

When it comes to actually sitting down and getting work done, I'm finding myself going for the AM4 due to the more expansive amp collection and (more importantly) the extended adjust-ability. Being able to tune bright caps, negative feedback, cabinet interaction characteristics, and tubes tickles both the tech nerd and audio engineer portions of my brain and that inspires me. It turns out that functionality is important to me. I guess that makes sense, since its important to me in the physical world too.

Over the last couple days I've been opening up to the possibility that I might not be the right type of user for Stadium. I'm sitting on it for a couple more days and then will make a decision on whether to go a different direction.
 
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If I'm being honest I'm in a confusing place with Stadium at the moment. All the positive feedback about the UI, hardware, and Agoura is totally valid, but I'm just not sure how important that is to me when weighed against other functionality.

When it comes to actually sitting down and getting work done, I'm finding myself going for the AM4 due to the more expansive amp collection and (more importantly) the extended adjust-ability. Being able to tune bright caps, negative feedback, cabinet interaction characteristics, and tubes tickles both the tech nerd and audio engineer portions of my brain and that inspires me. It turns out that functionality is important to me. I guess that makes sense, since its important to me in the physical world too.

Over the last couple days I've been opening up to the possibility that I might not be the right type of user for Stadium. I'm sitting on it for a couple more days and then will make a decision on whether to go a different direction.

That’s been the thing that has held me back. Can I really go without block channels, adjustable bright caps, and gapless preset switching now that I’ve gotten used to having them?

If I were a different sort of player, the new features that stadium brings with the stems and stuff might pull me over and be worth more to me. We’ll see where the platform goes over time, but right now I think the FM9 is still the better fit for me.

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I'm about a week shy of a month with Stadium XL, but my takes are:

  • The usability of this is off the charts. @AlbertA covered a lot of it in his breakdown, but it makes it so easy to tweak things. Also, having the focus zones on the vast catalog of M-series and HX FX has helped me rediscover what's so great to this day about a lot of that. I say all that to say, I feel like I've been enjoying much more new content than just 22 Agoura guitar and bass amps.
  • The Agoura amps still sound great weeks down the line, and I've seen how incredible some of the HX amps and Line 6 originals are to stand up beside them. The Ventoux, for example, is such a wonderful hybrid of about a bazillion low-to-mid gain vintage/boutique-type amps I admire. It's become my complete jam for anything Stone Temple Pilots/crunchy/jangly I want to do on the dirtier side. The Oblivion is a ridiculous modern high-gain wonder and makes a great "partner" to other real-world high gain examples to add tightness and clarity. I might have cracked the code on the Agoura 5153 last night, but I'd still say it was the rare miss for me in the launch collection. The 100-watt 6L6 OG is probably my least favorite of the 5153 variants, so that tracks.
  • I just see zero need for third-party IRs. Line 6 has finally shown their extensive cab collection in the best light, and aside from acoustic IRs...they got it all covered. My only gripe is some cabs still default with a single Neumann condenser mic at some rando setting, and who in the real world has that as their main mic setup?!?!
  • Factory presets are mostly great! The snapshots are helpful, the preset clips are SOOOOO helpful, and the Info tab is great. Would've loved a mandated sentence on what the point of some of these are. I skip over the likes of "Ichor" and "Red Wreck" because Info tells me nothing, and the snapshot names (e.g. Balanced, Crush) don't either. That being said, these are mostly the exception!
  • Aside from being signed out - a super minor inconvenience - every time I power it on, I haven't encountered a lot of bugs yet. Then again, I've only needed to create a few additional presets and load about 10-15 acoustic IRs. I'll stress test it more after 1.2 drops.
  • The reverbs and delays sound better, and I liked them before! That being said, looking forward to whatever create models they add down the pike. I don't think they're going to sit idly by competition is dropping more and more stuff in this space.
  • Had no idea before, but the rotaries are mostly misses if you're trying to get that genuine organ sound to your playing. Decouple them from the speaker cabinets, and redo them with an eye on better realism.
  • Coming from an FM9, I don't miss too much. I definitely crave more reverb varieties and exposed reverb parameters, but I can't really think of a base amp sound I truly miss other than the wealth of Mesa stuff. I trust Line 6 to get that sorted in short order. Maybe a set of factory presets that hit the iconic historic tones more comprehensively would be appreciated too for the cover band warriors out there.
 
If I'm being honest I'm in a confusing place with Stadium at the moment. All the positive feedback about the UI, hardware, and Agoura is totally valid, but I'm just not sure how important that is to me when weighed against other functionality.

When it comes to actually sitting down and getting work done, I'm finding myself going for the AM4 due to the more expansive amp collection and (more importantly) the extended adjust-ability. Being able to tune bright caps, negative feedback, cabinet interaction characteristics, and tubes tickles both the tech nerd and audio engineer portions of my brain and that inspires me. It turns out that functionality is important to me. I guess that makes sense, since its important to me in the physical world too.

Over the last couple days I've been opening up to the possibility that I might not be the right type of user for Stadium. I'm sitting on it for a couple more days and then will make a decision on whether to go a different direction.

For me during my very lengthy FM9 ownership, "actually sitting down and getting work done" and "extensively tuning bright caps, cabinet characteristics and tubes" or even scrolling through the amp block list were mutually exclusive propisitions. I leaned way more toward the former the longer I owned it. Despite having all of the modded variants and boutique offshoots in the unit as selectable models, I really got the most mileage out of the mainstays - JCM800, JVM410, SLO, Twin Reverb, AC30, 5150/5153, etc.

No slight on you, to be clear. Virtual amp shopping can be very fun, and the same for virtual amp modding. But the fewer distractions I have between me and actually practicing these days, the better.

In that way, I appreciate the Hype control. I think it is mostly "sweetening" via subtle EQ and multiband compression, but once I get a base tone I like, I tend to sprinkle some on like flaky sea salt to help "finish it".
 
For me during my very lengthy FM9 ownership, "actually sitting down and getting work done" and "extensively tuning bright caps, cabinet characteristics and tubes" or even scrolling through the amp block list were mutually exclusive propisitions. I leaned way more toward the former the longer I owned it. Despite having all of the modded variants and boutique offshoots in the unit as selectable models, I really got the most mileage out of the mainstays - JCM800, JVM410, SLO, Twin Reverb, AC30, 5150/5153, etc.

No slight on you, to be clear. Virtual amp shopping can be very fun, and the same for virtual amp modding. But the fewer distractions I have between me and actually practicing these days, the better.
There are a billion parameters in the AM4 that I don’t care about and will never touch, but things like bright caps, negative feedback, tube types, bias, depth controls…those have tangible effects that can help mitigate issues when you’re not always in agreement with whomever is curating that platform’s amp selection choices.

The Fractal 1987x was a throwaway for me until I took 5 seconds to add its factory bright cap. On the Stadium side I have no recourse, their 1959 is a throwaway and I can’t fix it. I suffered through this limitation in Helix and I don’t really have the patience to do it again in Stadium.
 
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There are a billion parameters in the AM4 that I don’t care about and will never touch, but things like bright caps, negative feedback, tube types, bias, depth controls…those have tangible effects that can help mitigate issues when you’re not always in agreement with whomever is curating that platform’s amp selection choices.

The Fractal 1987x was a throwaway for me until I took 5 seconds to add its factory bright cap. On the Stadium side I have no recourse, their 1959 is a throwaway and I can’t fix it. I suffered through this limitation in Helix and I don’t really have the patience to do it again in Stadium.

I get it, and cosign all these people asking for the bright cap just like Line 6 got it together on their second go-round with the JCM800. I'm sure if that's a must have, it's frustrating.

I imagine Proxy will also provide multiple options there sooner rather than later.
 
My only gripe is some cabs still default with a single Neumann condenser mic at some rando setting, and who in the real world has that as their main mic setup?!?!
Agreed (LT owner here, waiting for regular Stadium to come out). I dialed amps with my producer a few months ago, before recording, and he said he didn't understand why wasn't SM57 the default mic, at least on every guitar cab. I'd like to know the reason behind.
 
Agreed (LT owner here, waiting for regular Stadium to come out). I dialed amps with my producer a few months ago, before recording, and he said he didn't understand why wasn't SM57 the default mic, at least on every guitar cab. I'd like to know the reason behind.

It doesn't have to be all 57, all the time, but dynamic mics or a dynamic/ribbon combo is bog standard.

Or put another way, I don't think any of these cool new presets that they trusted people to have a single condenser as the only mic on there. So if that many people are telling you something, it's probably worth re-examining your factory preset configurations for those cap blocks.

My guess is that this wasn't a willful mistake, but rather a leftover from the early Helix era that they didn't have the time to get around to tweaking in the lead up to launch.
 
If I'm being honest I'm in a confusing place with Stadium at the moment. All the positive feedback about the UI, hardware, and Agoura is totally valid, but I'm just not sure how important that is to me when weighed against other functionality.

When it comes to actually sitting down and getting work done, I'm finding myself going for the AM4 due to the more expansive amp collection and (more importantly) the extended adjust-ability. Being able to tune bright caps, negative feedback, cabinet interaction characteristics, and tubes tickles both the tech nerd and audio engineer portions of my brain and that inspires me. It turns out that functionality is important to me. I guess that makes sense, since its important to me in the physical world too.
I get it - I do miss that here but mainly if I'm trying to copy a specific tone. The grid of the FM3/FM9/Axe-Fx III is just so much more straight forward when trying to to more soundscapey stuff - And additional path and more flexible split/merge options (as I wrote on the wishlist thread) would go a long way here.
 
I've gone back to the factory presets and actually started to use the clip feature - the attached guitar DI track is a great because I can immediately tell how bright, how loud and dynamic the preset author's guitar is and how it was played and then you can adjust to your own guitar - that makes a ton of difference between liking what a preset has to offer vs just skipping it.
 
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I think an important piece of data is missing here...

I'm currently typing this on a Mac. When you red X something, it stays in the dock, and if you click on it, it opens back up unless you right click and quit it. The Stadium app, however, does not open back up when you click on it in the dock. You have to right click on it, quit, and then completely restart it from Finder, unless you've got it living on your dock. The issue is, once you red X it, you can't re-open it without quitting it on the dock, which is unlike any other app.

Actually, just go to Devices and select your last device, and the window will reopen. Not totally intuitive, but that's how you do it.
 
I've gone back to the factory presets and actually started to use the clip feature - the attached guitar DI track is a great because I can immediately tell how bright, how loud and dynamic the preset author's guitar is and how it was played and then you can adjust to your own guitar - that makes a ton of difference between liking what a preset has to offer vs just skipping it.

Low-key, one of the most ingenious and incredible features for me. I should've mentioned that it does help add context to the weirdo presets too.

DI says they're going to add more, and I just want to encourage them on that front. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough one day to help them craft one or two in the areas currently missing from the preset bank (e.g. 80s toolkit, hot-rodded Marshall sounds, funk/vintage neo-soul, etc.).
 
After a bunch of weeks of ownership, I guess I can write up my thoughts:

General:
- The workflow is unparalleled. Genuinely I mean this when I say, Helix Stadium is the defacto standard when it comes to hardware modellers and their workflow, user experience, and user interface. It takes what devices like the QC and Headrush did, and basically says "hey.. let's do this RIGHT" - and I really vibe with it in that sense.
- Bugs, bugs, bugs. God, I can't wait for this thing to settle down. Quite a bit more buggier than Helix was at release. I don't begrudge it, and I'm not angry or anything. I know exactly how it gets in MI and the pressures to release. Right now Helix Stadium is a cool new toy I've got, but I can't and I'm not planning on using it for anything mission critical yet.
- Quality-wise, the hardware is clearly quite a large step up. The noise floor seems far superior to OG Helix; and it really pisses all over the Quad Cortex when it comes to 4-cable-method signal quality. It is basically neck and neck with the Axe3 now; whereas before OG Helix was just a tad behind the Axe3.
- I know I'm totally falling for eye candy, but I just really like seeing the skeuomorphic icons when browsing for things. I see amp head with pretty colours, I click yes. I'm a simple guy.
- The tuner is amazing. Easily as good as Fractal's now. No more whining from me about the tuner! It is what the OG Helix's should have been.
- Browsing IR's is too slow. There doesn't seem to be a way for me to just quickly scroll through a folder of IR's, unless I'm missing it?? I have to tap each one individually. This is one area of pain.
- On the whole though, there's just way less bullshit with Stadium to have to contend with. Take using SPDIF to record a dry DI signal.... it just works. No fucking around with levels, no having to apply a trim to it... no awkwardness when reamping it back through the Stadium. Even to this day, it baffles me how non-standard and illogical the Axe3 is when it comes to recording and reamping DI signals. (I can whinge about this in another thread if you want me to!)

Routing:

- Signal flow and routing on Stadium just makes sense. Creating splits just makes sense. Sending your guitar to your amp, while sending your guitars signal through a modelled amp to your computer, it just makes sense. Very little headscratching required. This kind of fluidity is super important to me.
- The quick setup templates are very useful. Setting up for 4-cable-method is much faster and more user friendly than the other platforms.
- And you can do all of this very quickly on the device. It doesn't make you feel like a computer is necessary.

Amps:
- Quite a lot of the time, I am finding that I prefer the Agoura tones to the competition; specifcally Helix Native, HX legacy amps, and a smattering of Axe FX III amps. Nearly every time I compared against any of my NDSP plugins, or Amplitube 5, Agoura impressed me much more with its tactile feel and sonics.
- I have to confess, I wasn't entirely expecting Stadium to hold its own against the Axe3; I genuinely expected Axe3 to still be top dog. But there are quite a few cases where I just outright prefer the Agoura model. The Revv Generator and the Bogner XTC; both are way better for my tastes on Agoura than Axe3. But the Axe3's EVH5150III amps are way superior to the Agoura ones. In fact, I just straight up don't really like the Agoura ones. They lack the brightness and the aggression that the real amp has, and that the Axe3 accurately duplicates.
- There have been a few instances where I fired up an amp model on another platform, and compared to Agoura, and Agoura left me baffled with how it sounded. To the point where I would get immediate disatisfication and buyers remorse. However in nearly all of these cases, the problem was the model defaults and the stock cabs. Addressing them resulted in tones I was a lot happier with. I'm still finding my feet with it I guess.
- I feel like the masters are overall a bit too high. My typical thing to do when I first load an amp model is turn down the masters, and turn up the 'level' parameter to compensate for volume loss. This helps to avoid too much power amp distortion, and cleans up palm mutes a bit.
- Sometimes there's a bit of a fuzziness to the tone though, even when doing this. Kind of hard to identify but it is something myself and @MirrorProfiles have conversed about many times; often arriving at differing viewpoints!
- There does seem to be a bit of a 'dark' character to the amps overall. Sometimes it is difficult to get the same amount of fizziness that you'd get from a real amp. It is a subtle thing, but I notice it.

Effects:
- I've whinged about reverbs before. I don't really like them. That's all I need to say. Not going to beat that dead horse.
- Cosmos Echo; man.... I forgot how fucking amazing that one is. It is easily up there with the other Space Echo type models and plugins out there in music tech land. It is probably one of my favourite versions of this effect.
- I'd really like a bog standard Boss DDx style delay, where the feedback and mix knobs just work like they do on those simple pedals. Simple Delay aint really the one.
- Going with the Stadium XL for the 4 FX loops was definitely the right choice for me. I plan on making extensive use of those in the future.
- Consequently.... there isn't a ton of stuff to really get excited about in effects land yet. But I do have faith that the platform will improve in this area in the future.

All in all, I feel good about my purchase. But at the same time, I feel more like an early adopter with this product than I ever have with any other guitar gear in the past. This isn't a bad thing, but it is certainly a thing.

I'm not intending on selling my Axe3. I thought I might before I got Stadium. I thought if the workflow was better (it is) and the sounds were just as good (nearly always as good) that I wouldn't need my Axe3 anymore... but I can't bear to part with it. Ironically, buying the Stadium has not only made me appreciate Stadium, but has also made me appreciate my Axe3 more.

Feeling very good about my decision to sell my 2nd Quad Cortex earlier this year, and feeling good about my decision to not purchase a Headrush Prime too.
 
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