Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

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As a lover of FAS gear but a very surprised enjoyer of the Stadium so far; I'd say no. I'm also not approaching this as some sort of digital battle royale where 2 enter the octagon and only one comes out alive. Having a great time with the Stadium and not having issues with the HX modeling I have had, historically, when playing it myself in person. That's a big win in my book.

As I've posted before, so far I'm very impressed with stadium when put up against my Axe FX III and FM9.

I have no prejudices between either brand. Stadium is very fun to work with and sounds great for me so far for both clean, edge of breakup, classic rock, hard rock, and metal!

Will be a great single device solution for me instead of a huge pedalboard for the FM9 and rack mounted Axe III!

I'll keep all 3 most likely!
 
What's "not as good" about it in your opinion? Not even an argument, BTW. I genuinely like learning about what aspects of it others perceive and hear that I don't.

To be clear, I'm not caping for Helix and claiming it is the apex of multi-fx reverbs. It's not. There are less current-gen options than every top-tier competitor aside from Quad Cortex (Even Tonemaster Pro has more variety + they have a different type in the form of their convolution options). I really enjoyed the wide range of variants on both FM9 and Kemper, in particular.

And yes, dedicated hardware pedals have some very complex algorithms that I don't hear in Helix/Stadium yet.

But I just don't think it's so bad you have to add a hardware pedal in an FX loop if you want interesting ambient options. There are more than a few available right now, and the routing flexibility lets you roll individual ones on parallel paths with a combination of delays, filters and other wacky effects. Also, dual Dynamic Plate/Hall/Bloom combos create some really interesting undertextures as well. Cordy and Worship Tutorials have both shown that you can indeed get close to dedicated reverb pedal algorithms with what's already there.

It's a good starting point for me.

Describing reverb details with words where a reader will understand what I mean is a tricky business and I don’t have the time to think hard enough about it that I’m likely to be successful, but I’ll try… It sounds harsh, grainy, has a weird flavor of reverberating as it builds that the better units don’t have. You can lessen the impact of that by making them really dark, but then you just have a pile of mush that recedes you in the mix not an ambient reverb that an audience can hear as a positive attribute.

There’s no amount of adding filters, delays, or other foolery onto a parallel path that cures what ails the dynamic reverbs at their core.

Can you get a cloud-esque thing by putting the auto vowel thing into a helix reverb in parallel? Yes, I’ve done it. Is it as good as strymon or fractal? No, and the difference between them isn’t subtle in an A/B. Can you do other fun things with a reverb in parallel? Yes, but you can do that in fractal too with far more control and a reverb algo that sounds amazing at its core before you add any extra sauce.

If you enjoy or use ambient reverbs much, you really owe it to yourself to try the good stuff and see what you’re missing out on. Or don’t and just stay happy with what you have. But without having A/B’ed these things to really know the differences, you just don’t know. Hands on experience is the only way I’ve found to really know this stuff, surfing some clips online doesn’t get you very far as users do weird things, services compress or alter things somehow, etc. Hook things up and A/B them, and this stuff gets really clear and simple.

How did I figure out what worked for me for a big reverb sound? I bought a meris m7, an empress, and a Ventris at the same time. I A/B’d them with each other and with the Helix models. In less than an hour I knew more than you could learn in 10 hours of reading about reverb pedals on forums and listening to clips (which I had no doubt already done before I broke down and bought all those damn pedals).


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Describing reverb details with words where a reader will understand what I mean is a tricky business and I don’t have the time to think hard enough about it that I’m likely to be successful, but I’ll try… It sounds harsh, grainy, has a weird flavor of reverberating as it builds that the better units don’t have. You can lessen the impact of that by making them really dark, but then you just have a pile of mush that recedes you in the mix not an ambient reverb that an audience can hear as a positive attribute.

There’s no amount of adding filters, delays, or other foolery onto a parallel path that cures what ails the dynamic reverbs at their core.

Can you get a cloud-esque thing by putting the auto vowel thing into a helix reverb in parallel? Yes, I’ve done it. Is it as good as strymon or fractal? No, and the difference between them isn’t subtle in an A/B. Can you do other fun things with a reverb in parallel? Yes, but you can do that in fractal too with far more control and a reverb algo that sounds amazing at its core before you add any extra sauce.

If you enjoy or use ambient reverbs much, you really owe it to yourself to try the good stuff and see what you’re missing out on. Or don’t and just stay happy with what you have. But without having A/B’ed these things to really know the differences, you just don’t know. Hands on experience is the only way I’ve found to really know this stuff, surfing some clips online doesn’t get you very far as users do weird things, services compress or alter things somehow, etc. Hook things up and A/B them, and this stuff gets really clear and simple.

How did I figure out what worked for me for a big reverb sound? I bought a meris m7, an empress, and a Ventris at the same time. I A/B’d them with each other and with the Helix models. In less than an hour I knew more than you could learn in 10 hours of reading about reverb pedals on forums and listening to clips (which I had no doubt already done before I broke down and bought all those damn pedals).


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It's been quite a while since I've used the dedicated reverb pedal. I found myself quite satiated with the FM9 options, and now I'm good with the Helix ones for now.

In my clip, I opened up the Dynamic Plate high cut and damping quite a bit, and I don't think it sounded metallic or harsh at all. Difference of opinion, I guess.

I will say I've heard some amazing algorithms from Meris X and the Hotone Verbera. And I agree that clips aren't the same as using it in your rig. Lots of complex stuff I would love to see on Stadium!

I just happen to think what's there now isn't a slouch, but if you're comparing it to dedicated pedals you have personally used, I can see why you have your perspective.
 
Ok, I hooked up my mac to the Stadium! I couldn't believe how easy it was - literally just plug and play. My first time using Garageband - forgive me if the recording is not sounding the way it's supposed to (in terms of levels and clicks/pops and such - I'm new to recording)

Hopefully you can hear what I'm hearing - the first clip in each case is Helix; 2nd is Stadium. Brit Plexi Jumped. Something doesn't seem right to me.

The high end isn't there for me with the Stadium - and something about the tone goes 'splat' when I hit the strings hard. I noticed this literally 10 seconds into playing and I didn't like it.

 
I don't really want a 4 button device. Nice for some peeps, but I like lots of footswitches. Stadium XL is plenty small for me!

Nice product from Fractal, though!
Stadium is what I wanted QC to be. Once Proxy comes out in a firmware update the circle will be complete!

Throw in my Axe III and FM9 and all my venue size tools will be complete!!!
 
Here's all the comparisons, clams and all. Nothing professional like some of the others here - whatever comes to my mind. The levels are probably all over the place - I have a lot to learn. I'm just throwing them out there for anyone interested. Same settings on Agoura and Helix -

Plexi Jumped


Vox (believe these are two different amps that were modeled)


2203


If someone can tell me how, I can embed here for direct play
 
Here's all the comparisons, clams and all. Nothing professional like some of the others here - whatever comes to my mind. The levels are probably all over the place - I have a lot to learn. I'm just throwing them out there for anyone interested. Same settings on Agoura and Helix -

Plexi Jumped


Vox (believe these are two different amps that were modeled)


2203


If someone can tell me how, I can embed here for direct play
Maybe the best thing to do is contact line 6 for them to make sure nothing's off?

To me, some of the difference sounds like when you run the master volume of an amp (if they have one) too high and compare to a similar amp with the master vol lower.

It's my perception that some high end goes bye bye with higher master vol. I find that this is even the reason why some people prefer captures to modelling -- because the captures they buy tend to be made with the master vol very low.

But obviously that wouldn't explain the difference in every amp sim.

I don't know for sure whether agora high end is more accurate than older helix sims. But you would imagine it has to be -- sounds so unlikely they'd be making less accurate amp sims by this point.
 
Maybe the best thing to do is contact line 6 for them to make sure nothing's off?

To me, some of the difference sounds like when you run the master volume of an amp (if they have one) too high and compare to a similar amp with the master vol lower.

It's my perception that some high end goes bye bye with higher master vol. I find that this is even the reason why some people prefer captures to modelling -- because the captures they buy tend to be made with the master vol very low.

But obviously that wouldn't explain the difference in every amp sim.

I don't know for sure whether agora high end is more accurate than older helix sims. But you would imagine it has to be -- sounds so unlikely they'd be making less accurate amp sims by this point.

Very possible that I might be doing something wrong. The settings and cab were the same throughout.
 
I spent the last 6 hours dialing tones in Helix Native for a recording and just remembered the void I'll feel once I get my non-XL Stadium until Stadium Native is released.

Hope it's not a huge wait (if I can dream, just a year gap between them🤞🤞🤞).
 
After having used the unit for a couple days, a SIC parameter in the amp block would be helpful. Less of an issue when using helix cabs, but for those of us who use cab impulse responses we have to add a cab, select the cab with the SIC that matches the IR, and then bypass it. It’s workable but not ideal.
 
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